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we can't afford to have a toga party you

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yeah i think they like the idea hoof oh

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otter please don't do this we got news

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for you pal

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they're gonna nail us no matter what we

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do so we might

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that's a classic clip from animal house

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where john belushi and his fraternity

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brothers realize

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totalitarian rule

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of the dean is to throw a roman toga

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party

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ah i'm gonna be going back to the romans

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time and time again

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to kick it off here's a clip from my

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upcoming interview

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with chris knowles and you know one

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thing that i keep saying

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and i'm sure maybe a lot of your

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listeners will just think i'm insane but

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really

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a lot of what this is all about is about

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restoring a state cult

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much the same as what we saw in ancient

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so when you take the the ritualism which

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at every super bowl now and and every

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oscars now and you combine it with this

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this cultic gaslighting with this this

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mass conditioning

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into like this invasion of the body

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snatches reality

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they go together because they're all

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moving towards the same goal

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and the mask is the uh annihilation of

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individuality which is

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you know it's a prime aspect of any cult

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throughout history welcome to skeptico

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where we explore controversial science

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and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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i'm your host alex sacaris and today

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we welcome back one of my favorite

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scallywags of the alternative media

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and the author of a new book that we're

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going to talk about

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the endless american midnight chris

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knowles is here to join us chris welcome

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back

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thanks so much for joining me i want to

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pull up on the screen

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this fantastic new book because what i

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you know a lot of folks are very

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with your kind of essential read blog

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the secret sun

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and we see on there that you've actually

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jump jumping on the bandwagon there but

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some deep state stuff there but

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what you've done here with this new book

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the endless american midnight which i

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get why you would do it initially

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more and you know it's like there's so

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much stuff packed in the secret sun

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and those of us like me who just

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dive into this and and sometimes can't

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even get out of it it's so

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deep and it's takes you in so many

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is that was that partially what you had

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very long time to do a book

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of secret son work and i just could

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how to approach it because i have

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intimidating and overwhelming even for

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materials so i just had a real hard time

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yeah the uh the material i

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how did we get here and then i started

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essays you know mixed in with all the

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synchronistic work for a very long time

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came true and it's not because i'm a

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psychic or a prophet or anything it's

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cycles of history let's not be too quick

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to dismiss your psychic abilities

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and uh chris can see it but he he

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here is the table of contents from the

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book the endless american midnight

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so i want to talk about the flat earth

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and other strange new rebellions and as

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um flat earth movement and i've known

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loose ring of people who are looking at

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symbolism and all that kind of

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thing and then he got um onto the whole

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flat earth thing and he had

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is this is this serious is this a joke

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in the book this uh photorealistic

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artist named matt boylan

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who claims to have worked for nasa and

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people at nasa that you know the earth

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is flat and all the space stuff is a

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hoax and everything like that

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conspiracy theory i'm always up for a

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conclusion that you know it doesn't

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matter it doesn't

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affect the conduct of my life in any way

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shape or form it doesn't affect

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going on am i being trolled who would

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say such an outrageous thing

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phil clap phil platt bad astronomer with

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think the whole thing kind of

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underage boy french underage boyfriend

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yeah

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day uh

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people forget but back in the day there

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were the these

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great randy conferences where there were

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40 foot

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banners with his image on it you know

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he had really kind of just slipped

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into these guys exactly what they claim

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to be so against is that kind of

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cultish kind of personality kind of

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thing

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what do you think about that well i

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think that that was deliberate i think

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maybe it almost feels like a beta

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testing of some sort you know can we

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construct

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an alternative mass religion to replace

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traditional religion and i think that

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you know the people who are bankrolling

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all this and of course epstein was a

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large part of it um had very strange

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beliefs of their own and very strange

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agendas of their own and

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what really happened you know we had

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those amazing meetings

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which were getting just fawning press

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attention

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court case came up with the

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identity theft with that uh

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with his living lover there um

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did the press went to great lengths to

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either ignore it or to

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smooth it over for him you know he was

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clearly

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a favored personality he was protected

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he was protected by the media and

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the thing where it really i think hit

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the rocks

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you know or hit the iceberg let's say

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and the titanic hit the iceberg was when

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the woke thing

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really started kicking up again in the

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wake of

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occupy wall street i think the iceberg

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incident

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was and few people remember this but

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randy came out

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as a skeptic on global warming

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and he was yeah i i don't i don't think

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that really broke that wasn't the straw

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that broke the horse's back i mean they

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he he had a lot of things that he said

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in favor of eugenics

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all kinds of stuff i mean this is all

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the things that

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these skeptics or what's left of the

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movement or

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really what you know the woke skeptics

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really um they've they've written all

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these revisionist

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uh history and like oh i i should have

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known about this or i didn't know about

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this then i was

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blind to it mayor kaplan mayor kalpa

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whatever the um

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situation is but i i think that it was

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it was definitely

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um because i was watching this pretty

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closely it was definitely what was

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called atheism plus an atheism plus was

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atheism plus woke

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and it was really the whim you know it

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was predominantly women

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people like rebecca watson were really

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at the forefront of it

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and they really went to war against um

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you know all these creepy guys

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and all these creepy guys in the um

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in the uh the epstein or bit

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like people like lawrence krauss you

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know i i think you know as toxic as

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i think woke is um they they really did

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the rest of us a favor because they

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helped

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stop this thing in in its tracks because

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they were presenting a um a rejoinder to

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the dominance of the movement by people

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like randy and clayton

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dennett and paris and you know on and on

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and on

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um they were providing a rejoinder to

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their sort of their

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dominance and you know harris got it on

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the the uh

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terrorism and middle eastern stuff

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um a lot of them really kind of took it

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in the neck for different reasons

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but um so i really believe

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let me just let me just finish my

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thought yeah so it's like i was looking

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at this stuff i was writing about a lot

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there's a lot of pieces

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that i mean some of which i put into the

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um

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the the ebook version i i put in about

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100 pages of new material and into that

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version and a lot of it was sort of

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these things that i'd cut

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you know in my first draft but i was

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writing about this stuff a lot and i was

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watching

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i was paying very close attention to it

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because they were sort of coming after

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us

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you know people like randy were sort of

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dipping their toes into you know these

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real fringy things like synchromesis and

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stuff

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so i i mean it was you know it was

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opposition research

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on my part because i knew that they were

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going to come after us

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and i think that they would have had

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this atheism plus

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woke um schism

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not been so successful in really

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crippling

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the the mainstream skeptical movement

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before i plow forward i want to go back

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and make sure we

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fill in some of the leaps we're making

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some of the inside baseball leaps

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so that people can follow along a little

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bit if they don't know it

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so we all have the james randy thing

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down

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the amazing meeting the million-dollar

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challenge where he said hey

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anything that is paranormal i'll pay a

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million dollars for it and it was

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a brilliant brilliant publicity stunt

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in that it became the focus and he had

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kind of created a

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quasi-pseudo-scientific experiment

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and test but then it became this

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standard that everyone could kind of

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push against

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now the other thing you're alluding to

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is

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all these guys and it was 90 guys

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were going to the amazing meeting and

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they were just

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fawning all over you know james randy

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and all these other

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self-made celebrities

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and in the meantime guys doing what a

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lot of guys do

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at night in at the bar was not a pretty

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scene

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so shermer michael shermer kind of gets

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sucked into it for

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you know maybe some of the things that

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he did that weren't so appropriate with

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young women who

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maybe had too much to drink or maybe had

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something else in their drink that

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wasn't supposed to be there

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and then some other people had some and

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then as you said

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uh krause from arizona state university

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later it comes out but we know it was

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rumored about earlier is involved in

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even uh slimier scummier

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kind of stuff so this stuff is kind of

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bubbling around the edges

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and then you have as you said which is

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always kind of an interesting phenomenon

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in these groups

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is that they kind of there

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there is an element of realness to it

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that i think the the co-opters and the

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social engineers can never really fully

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control

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so you do have someone like rebecca

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wobson rebecca watson or other people

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who are genuine and believe in the cause

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and they rise up and say hey this isn't

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what we're about

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guys this is this is what we're supposed

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to be against

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and it gains traction because there is a

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certain amount of

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cultural ethos that's built into that

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stuff

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so is that is there anything you want to

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add as just kind of a

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backgrounder to all that stuff you just

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said previously

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well like i said i i think that this was

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an attempt or a beta testing or an

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experiment

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to construct an alternative religious

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paradigm and i think that

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woke ultimately won out

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because the the randy

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phenomena the atheist movement all these

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things you know like you said were um

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predominantly overwhelmingly uh sort of

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low

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status men you know oftentimes single

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middle-aged single men uh often involved

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in

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that

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they learned how to make people respond

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to things you know

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articles of faith really like the

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million dollar challenge is an article

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of faith it's a great marketing tool

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right

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and you know you saw a lot of these

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quasi-religious or quasi-socialist

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icons being used to make memes and so on

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and so forth

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but i think that it was never going to

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be successful because it just

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wasn't appealing to a demographic that

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has

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influence over the rest of the society

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and i think the woke thing

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um became so overwhelming in the wake of

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that second epstein trial

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that um you know the the atheist

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skeptical movement was was

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buried underneath you know the avalanche

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and the excite

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well i don't know if it's exciting but

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the interesting thing to me about that

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as well is that you know wokeness and

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outgrowths of pc culture and

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intersectionalism

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you know they're extremely anti-science

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and and i think a lot of the original

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battles between these two wings of the

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movement

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were over these anti-scientific claims

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that the workers were trying to um

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instill into dogma

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and you know you had a lot of people uh

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like thunderfoot and carl benjamin

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and uh the amazing atheists you know

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these are all youtubers

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that had pretty substantial audiences

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really mixing it up with

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that whole rebecca watson

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um corner of the of the movement

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so um but the interesting thing about

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that is not only do they have these you

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know very strange

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quasi-scientific beliefs but they also

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um are really into

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uh the occult and witchcraft and

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all sorts of strange permutations of the

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supernatural

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so you know randy is not only dead but

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randy is you know spinning in his

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grave for eternity you know because

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you know fell apart i mean he was

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successful in

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undermining a lot of things you know

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he's successful he was successful in

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helping undermine organized religion

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he's successful in in helping organize a

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lot of

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you know what people would call the

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patriarchal

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power structure you know

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whatever i mean however they determine

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that the terminology changes

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you know quite often if you use you know

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old terms from a few months ago you're

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suddenly ostracized from the movement

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but you know

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randy failed uh miserably this is

570
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,880
where i take it i think this divide and

571
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,760
rule thing is

572
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,520
always going on in these kind of

573
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:55,679
subcultures and i think when you can

574
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,480
break

575
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,000
the scientism and the woke communities

576
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,760
into two communities that you now

577
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,640
control

578
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,640
and you you kind of create another

579
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:05,840
forced choice

580
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,559
situation where like okay nerd where are

581
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,360
you gonna go

582
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,679
you gotta go with the scientism people

583
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,360
are you going to go with the woke people

584
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,880
but the other thing that i think he did

585
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,720
that was absolutely

586
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,679
uh fundamentally important and we still

587
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:22,240
still see the ramifications of it today

588
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,840
it was a test run on how to kind of jury

589
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,559
rig

590
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,200
the emerging science media that was

591
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,640
moving to the internet

592
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,159
and i know that because i was right in

593
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,159
the middle of it when i was doing

594
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,960
all these all these interviews or like a

595
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,720
near-death experience and

596
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,880
this stuff was making it through the

597
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,960
scientific literature particularly the

598
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,640
medical scientific literature

599
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,799
the lancet and all these other really

600
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:48,320
important medical journals

601
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,080
but then when it hit the uh kind of

602
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,480
general public science media it was

603
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,559
being completely distorted

604
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,039
and completely turned inside out and

605
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,799
sometimes in a kind of crazy

606
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,039
in your face way that was just like why

607
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,640
would you even say something like that

608
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,640
you just make yourself look stupid and i

609
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,000
got about 50 interviews

610
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:11,120
on that if anyone wants to bother and go

611
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,760
look

612
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:14,320
but i think there was uh you know in

613
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,280
terms of

614
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:17,840
laying the groundwork for that

615
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,640
absolutely

616
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:21,039
randy's organization did that they found

617
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,159
the pressure points

618
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,280
they found the leverage points you know

619
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,360
where to push and also where to lever

620
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,559
and all that and

621
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,880
now they've reached a point and i think

622
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,960
we're living that and i think two things

623
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,840
came out of that

624
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,080
that i wanted to pull you into talking

625
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,159
about because

626
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,000
one i like the way that you kind of had

627
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,159
that kind of broader analysis that not

628
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,440
all these things work

629
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,520
as they're planned and i think that's an

630
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,600
important part of understanding

631
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,679
how the social engineering game works

632
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,360
because sometimes in our community

633
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,679
we we kind of go overboard on the other

634
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:55,440
side like oh my god they have such

635
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,400
control that

636
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,760
everything they do is so yeah

637
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,559
i take global warming global warming

638
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:03,760
what a freaking

639
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:07,520
fail what a stupid idea and the reason

640
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,640
is because it's the wrong game

641
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,480
if you want to play the global warming

642
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,840
game with science

643
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,520
yeah you can rig the science for a

644
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,320
little while and you can get the 97

645
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,559
fake thing out there and anyone who

646
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,760
wants to go

647
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,919
and just dig into that for 15 minutes

648
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:24,960
you see that that's a

649
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,559
fake consensus completely uh rigged

650
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,840
and then you but then you run into

651
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:31,919
climate gate all you need is one guy to

652
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,240
say

653
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,000
this is really what the data looks like

654
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,520
and here are the emails with the group

655
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,039
that reveals that

656
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,880
they're rigging the system but the

657
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,799
biggest thing they didn't plan on

658
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,760
is you're freezing your ass off in the

659
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,880
east coast

660
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,279
and whether we the entire center of the

661
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,559
country too tech i mean look

662
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,520
at texas so texas has had sub-zero

663
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,400
temperatures

664
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,600
exactly so before anyone starts railing

665
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,480
on us with

666
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,480
emails about well you can't tell one

667
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,840
year to the next you got to look at the

668
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:00,799
patterns it's like

669
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,159
yeah but both are true when people

670
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:07,279
experience that they they have a

671
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:10,240
it's a reality check on the science and

672
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:10,880
for them

673
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,080
to try and do the new world order which

674
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,679
is what all this [\h__\h] is about

675
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,960
to try and piggyback it on

676
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,080
global warming was a huge mistake but

677
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,559
even that was a test run for

678
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,960
the home run they hit with the pandemic

679
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:29,600
right because it was the same principles

680
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,480
get in there

681
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:33,039
rig the science try and get the edicts

682
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,600
you know

683
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:36,240
but they trumped that a million times

684
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,880
over

685
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,600
with the pandemic and i think they had

686
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:40,880
the benefit of

687
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:44,240
one the randy you know jury rigging the

688
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,120
paranormal

689
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:48,400
science and suppressing that and turning

690
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,200
it inside

691
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,200
out and then that led to their first

692
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,880
attempt with global warming

693
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,440
which was kind of a fail but then that

694
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,919
led to the huge success that they hit

695
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,480
with the plandemic well like i said i

696
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:02,000
mean that's why i see the whole randy

697
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,799
thing it was like

698
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,520
you know beta testing or a b testing or

699
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,360
um

700
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,360
an experiment you know like a social

701
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,400
experiment

702
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,880
um that's exactly you know what you just

703
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,720
described is exactly what i see in that

704
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,400
context because

705
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,640
like i said it began to receive what we

706
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,440
saw

707
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,240
in its place and this began i'd say

708
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:25,760
around 2000 2017 or so

709
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:29,200
was this major gaslighting where

710
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,840
science was now um unquestionable dogma

711
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,279
that you know this this whole thing you

712
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,279
know trust the science that science has

713
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,000
settled i mean

714
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,720
there are no two more unscientific

715
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,159
things you could possibly say in your

716
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,679
life you know science is never supposed

717
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,880
to be settled

718
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,080
you know you're not supposed to trust

719
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,520
the science you're supposed to test the

720
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:49,039
science i mean that's the whole point of

721
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,320
science

722
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,520
and when you see um you know

723
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,559
the uh simultaneously with this gas

724
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:57,520
lighting

725
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:01,760
was this um the replication crisis

726
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,279
where all of a sudden people were saying

727
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:08,720
um i can't replicate this published peri

728
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,080
so-called peer-reviewed experiment

729
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,799
and that just grew and grew at one point

730
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,000
it was 50

731
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,760
of the experiments couldn't be

732
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,039
replicated

733
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,159
and then it became 70 percent 70 of the

734
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,440
of the published um

735
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,440
experiments could not be replicated by

736
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,120
other scientists

737
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,480
so you know this whole gaslighting thing

738
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:35,039
and you know what randy sort of planted

739
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,240
the seeds for

740
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,919
was you know sciences religion

741
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,080
scientists as a priesthood

742
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,000
you know as if scientists are not all

743
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:44,559
completely beholden to their pay masters

744
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,279
in government

745
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,360
and corporations you know like

746
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,200
scientists are not

747
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,799
individual thinkers they're not

748
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,880
independent in any way shape or form

749
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:55,440
you know if there's any subsection of

750
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,640
society

751
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,760
that's more controlled and more

752
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:02,880
dependent and more subject

753
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,240
to uh you know punitive measures if they

754
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:08,080
step out of line it's the scientific

755
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:08,960
community

756
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,279
terrorized into silence and

757
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,039
complete uniformity of belief

758
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,480
and and that's why you have to take care

759
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,080
of the people like rupert sheldrake or

760
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,679
the dean raiden's

761
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,520
you know people who are use the

762
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:24,720
scientific method

763
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,159
in exploring paranormal ideas because

764
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,399
that steps outside you know that opens

765
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:31,840
the door

766
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:35,120
for uh for her heresy basically like

767
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,520
that

768
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,520
and um you know even if these

769
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,360
experiments

770
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,440
were valid um they they need to be

771
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,000
discredited you know any invective

772
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:46,399
or insinuation needs to be thrown at

773
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:47,360
them

774
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,840
until you know the the persuadables

775
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,679
the weak the munich you know you sort of

776
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,600
like your daily grail crowd

777
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,559
when they roll over and accept it you

778
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,600
know and it's just like

779
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,840
it's gaslighting it's it's social

780
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,520
control and it's gotten really bare

781
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,320
knuckles and i saw this starting in 2017

782
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,320
i saw how this began to grow i saw how

783
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,000
this began to emerge i saw the

784
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,799
techniques they were using and i would

785
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,640
you know i'd goof on them in posts

786
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,320
a lot of those posts i'm putting back up

787
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,399
um by the way

788
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,559
on the blog so i just saw the the the

789
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,320
methodologies that were using the you

790
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,000
know the kinds of intimidation it's all

791
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,320
extremely totalitarian uh you know

792
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,799
straight out of the mouse playbook

793
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,480
let's back up on a couple things before

794
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,399
we so i want to talk about the

795
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,159
experimenter effect

796
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,320
i want to talk about the replication

797
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,720
problem both of which you brought up

798
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,960
they both relate back to sheldrick they

799
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:45,360
both relate back to consciousness really

800
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,399
because it

801
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,039
hints at this thing that we've known for

802
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,640
a long time that consciousness is

803
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,000
somehow fundamental

804
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,399
and it's messing up our experiments and

805
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,240
our need to kind of measure

806
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,399
everything well it don't quite work that

807
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,640
way but the other

808
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,919
thing i wanted to stitch in here is and

809
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,600
i'll kind of start with this and then

810
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,000
we'll back up into those other ones

811
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,760
one of the reasons i think you see the

812
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,840
connection with the jeffrey epstein

813
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,640
thing

814
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,440
is one of course these people can be

815
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,919
manipulated the same way that

816
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,399
any brown stoning operation can

817
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,360
manipulate anybody so why not it's easy

818
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,520
but the other thing is i think what all

819
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:26,720
this revealed

820
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,559
at some point was how incredibly

821
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:33,440
cost effective the manipulation of

822
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,240
science

823
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:37,039
was it really didn't take much money at

824
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,520
all

825
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:41,120
these guys are starving you throw 10.

826
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,520
well that's

827
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,039
all that's what i said yeah that's

828
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,559
exactly what i said let me just put a

829
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,840
point on it so we make sure we're saying

830
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,640
the same thing

831
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,279
it's like but look if you have money and

832
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,880
you got to start spreading your money

833
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,520
around

834
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,120
one of the three one of the things i say

835
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,120
one of the ways to explain

836
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,919
why science was manipulated in this way

837
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,519
is that it wasn't a grand

838
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,440
plan anymore that it just started

839
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,559
yielding a

840
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,240
it got a high yield got a high rate of

841
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:06,080
return wow we put a little money over

842
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,480
there

843
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,720
god we got a lot we put a ton of money

844
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,159
over here with this

845
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,880
movement this progressive [\h__\h]

846
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,880
movement we didn't get crap about it we

847
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,519
bought what

848
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,919
a few votes this is really giving us the

849
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,880
bang for our buck

850
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,799
what do you think about that i think

851
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,480
it's been like that for a very very long

852
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,279
time

853
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,600
i think probably in the wake of world

854
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,919
war one at the very least

855
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,919
because science really became such an

856
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,080
important part of the national security

857
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,279
state apparatus i

858
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,039
i think wearing the tail into that you

859
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,880
know i keep telling people that i

860
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,159
really believe that we're on the tail

861
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,159
end of you know the age of discovery

862
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,240
we're on the tail end of the age of

863
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,440
scientific breakthrough and

864
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,279
technological breakthrough and i

865
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,679
i also believe because of trends in

866
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,919
society that we are going to

867
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,720
see a loss of expertise in the coming

868
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,240
years and we'll probably lose a lot of

869
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,000
science that we had

870
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,320
so um maybe you know maybe that ties

871
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,000
into the same phenomenon

872
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:04,240
as as consciousness and so on because

873
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,360
maybe

874
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,559
there were sciences of consciousness

875
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:12,000
uh 2000 3000 years ago and they were

876
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,880
just lost

877
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,080
you know i remember seeing graham

878
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:16,559
hancock talking about like well look at

879
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:16,880
the

880
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:24,159
looked like children had created and

881
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,440
he's like well what happened you know in

882
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,600
100 years you go from

883
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:30,799
khufu to this little mound of pebbles

884
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,159
and dirt well i think what happened is

885
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,679
that they lost

886
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,720
expertise they might have regained it in

887
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:41,519
later times but i think this is very

888
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,159
common

889
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,600
among you know imperial

890
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:48,000
cultures and imperial societies which we

891
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,880
are i mean we

892
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,279
are we are living in the american

893
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,200
imperium we're not living

894
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:55,600
in the country that maybe you and i grew

895
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,320
up in it's

896
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,720
no longer that somewhere along the line

897
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,919
it became

898
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:02,000
just a full-blown empire it was just

899
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,120
never

900
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,360
acknowledged as such so when you talk

901
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:06,640
about things like science

902
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,799
or whatever is going on you know you can

903
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,760
question it you can offer rejoinders

904
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:14,880
with with excellent

905
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,720
published tested uh confirmed

906
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,960
experiment and observation and it

907
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:22,000
doesn't matter

908
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,840
because the scientists aren't in control

909
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,760
of this the scientists

910
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,840
are all on the payroll of the national

911
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,200
security state

912
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,880
and they know all too well

913
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:35,600
the difference between what happens to

914
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,320
somebody who

915
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,240
goes along with the program and the

916
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:39,600
difference between someone

917
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,039
else who doesn't who steps out of line

918
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,200
because if you step out of line i would

919
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,360
say that your chances

920
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,480
are much worse than say a monk in the

921
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,320
12th century committing some sort of

922
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,519
heresy

923
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,640
um the punishments are much

924
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,120
faster and more severe hold up i mean

925
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,799
you make that point and there's

926
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:01,760
something to that

927
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,960
let me offer a couple of counter points

928
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,000
and see where we get about

929
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,679
that but first i have to go back and

930
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,440
just fill in something to make sure

931
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,280
people understand it

932
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,079
here's an example of what chris was

933
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,839
talking about with the replication

934
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,720
experiment

935
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,320
and sheldor does a really good job of

936
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,159
breaking this down i'll try and simplify

937
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,679
it

938
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,480
if you take mice and you run them

939
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,240
through a maze

940
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,839
and you get that experiment down to

941
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:29,280
where those mice are now

942
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,480
boom they're zipping right through the

943
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,639
maze because mice learn right

944
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,359
and then you take that and you publish

945
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,720
that work

946
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:39,040
and you publish it and some guy in

947
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,159
australia

948
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,079
goes and replicates the experiment that

949
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,399
you did in london

950
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,480
you will find that when he ran the

951
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,000
experiment before you did

952
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,720
a thousand trials with that mouse his

953
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:52,480
time wasn't so good

954
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,720
and now that mouse's time is better

955
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:59,680
because it's the hundredth monkey thing

956
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,320
it's

957
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:03,680
proven

958
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,359
they have direct experiments where

959
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,480
they've proven this

960
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:11,200
but they also have all these kind of

961
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,240
what science is

962
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,960
is this kind of indirect evidence that

963
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,599
wow

964
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,680
this thing used to work it used to work

965
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,280
and then slowly it's kind of

966
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:22,000
losing its effect so we have some kind

967
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,040
of collective

968
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:26,160
effect on

969
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,440
the consciousness field that is creating

970
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,920
all of this that's the the best

971
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,599
hypothesis we have for that

972
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,839
so i just wanted to add to that to

973
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,720
anyone who

974
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,359
is kind of wondering what what you said

975
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,800
you know the problem with replicating

976
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,599
experiments

977
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,200
go to sheldrick on that at the

978
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,800
experimenter effect he can go to

979
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:46,800
sheldrick or raiden raiden was really

980
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,599
dean raven

981
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,040
was one of the first ones to really

982
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:51,359
document this hey the experiment comes

983
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,760
out

984
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:54,800
one way when we have this guy running

985
00:36:09,910 --> 00:35:55,119
the

986
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,920
experiment

987
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,960
and shows that human beings can

988
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,920
affect consciousness can affect your

989
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:18,079
ability to measure

990
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,000
anything anything so from that point

991
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,599
on science is obsolete

992
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:28,079
because science's whole game is about

993
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,200
measuring stuff

994
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,599
and now the best science is telling us

995
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,359
we can't measure things

996
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,760
and i would also stitch that back into

997
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,119
one other thing you're saying about the

998
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,119
woke thing

999
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:41,200
because the way i think that trickles

1000
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:42,160
down

1001
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,320
into the quote-unquote soft sciences

1002
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,760
is they were barely holding on

1003
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,960
one they they have to follow science

1004
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,720
they've totally lost their way in terms

1005
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:57,280
of just being independent philosophical

1006
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,000
thinkers

1007
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,000
so alls they do is pick up these little

1008
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,160
tidbits from science and try and

1009
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,359
work that into their philosophical

1010
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,079
musings or whatever it is you know

1011
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,560
but when there's that shift where

1012
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,040
science now is kind of skating on thin

1013
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,200
ice like maybe none of this is real

1014
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,400
i think that propelled the soft sciences

1015
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:21,520
into this kind of boom total

1016
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,800
post-modern abstract that was already

1017
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,800
there but i think it gave them

1018
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,880
this momentum because they saw there was

1019
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:31,200
really no place to land with all of this

1020
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,079
stuff

1021
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,599
at the end of the day from a hard

1022
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,280
science standpoint do you have any

1023
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,520
thoughts on that before we move on

1024
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:40,000
yeah i i do i i think that a lot of the

1025
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:40,720
things

1026
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:44,400
you know like you said that all

1027
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:48,480
if you take a a scientific experiment

1028
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:51,760
that addresses a paranormal claim

1029
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:58,069
proving is that these kind of phenomena

1030
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:58,960
do not happen

1031
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,800
under controlled conditions

1032
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,240
you know that you can't control these

1033
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:06,800
things and like a lot of

1034
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:10,800
what you're referring to these more

1035
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,400
ethereal or ephemeral

1036
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,200
effects that probably do have a you know

1037
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,720
they do have a science to them they do

1038
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,240
have a formula to them but we're just

1039
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,400
we're so far from actually nailing that

1040
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,680
down

1041
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,839
that it's it's almost i don't even know

1042
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,720
if it's worth

1043
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:29,040
arguing about you know it's it's worth

1044
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,000
doing the work

1045
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:33,280
but these issues are never going to

1046
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,640
solve themselves they're never going to

1047
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,400
solve themselves with people

1048
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:39,520
in establishment science who

1049
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:43,920
have no inclination or no motivation

1050
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,119
to confirm or agree with your findings

1051
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,839
in any way shape or form so i you know i

1052
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,359
have i i actually have a great deal of

1053
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:53,200
respect for science for the scientific

1054
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,920
method and

1055
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,760
people who do real science you know not

1056
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,079
just clock punchers in

1057
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:01,119
corporate laboratories you know and one

1058
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,760
thing that i

1059
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,000
say and this is sort of different than

1060
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,760
you know things like consciousness or

1061
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,200
spirituality but you know

1062
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,760
in my line of fields which is you know

1063
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,040
the mystical field

1064
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,440
dealing with mysticism i say don't

1065
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:15,839
combine science and mysticism don't try

1066
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,400
to

1067
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,920
scientifically rationalize your

1068
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,920
mysticism because what you always end up

1069
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,720
with

1070
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:23,839
is bad science and bad mysticism

1071
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,640
you know and it's it's neither fish nor

1072
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,079
foul and it does

1073
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,200
nobody any good so

1074
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:33,280
you know just accept you know in a lot

1075
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,480
of cases

1076
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,599
that they're you don't have a

1077
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,599
methodology you don't have a predictive

1078
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,280
model for these things

1079
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,560
you're not going to be able to prove

1080
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,760
them to people who don't want to

1081
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,320
accept them in the first place so just

1082
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,320
go with it you know and just work from

1083
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,079
your own results because really

1084
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,760
in the end of the day all you really

1085
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,680
have to work from

1086
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,760
are the results of the work that you're

1087
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,760
doing and if people don't agree with it

1088
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,240
you know whatever i mean that's that's

1089
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:01,839
the way it's always been you know

1090
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,040
radical new discoveries are never

1091
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,640
accepted

1092
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,960
you know in their first go-around it it

1093
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,400
has to go through the process

1094
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,400
because there's ego involved and there's

1095
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:14,160
also a lot of money involved if you come

1096
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,200
up with something

1097
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,960
that challenges somebody else's business

1098
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:18,480
model they're going to do everything

1099
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:18,800
they

1100
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,480
possibly can to shut you down so

1101
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,400
there you go i mean i i really start to

1102
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,079
believe that you know we've been

1103
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,160
all raised to have this uh almost

1104
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,000
reverential respect for scientists like

1105
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,599
they're our priesthood

1106
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,160
but look look at the old priesthood look

1107
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,839
how the old priesthood turned out you

1108
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,560
know what i mean

1109
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,240
a lot of these scientists aren't any

1110
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:40,000
different and um

1111
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,359
i think a lot of the science they're

1112
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,040
doing is just absolute

1113
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,440
make work to sort of keep them busy so

1114
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,800
they're not out there you know going to

1115
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,359
ted kozinski and the rest of us

1116
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,280
well there's kind of two ways to take

1117
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,640
that so first

1118
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,359
i want to bring your attention to this

1119
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:57,119
little article that i sent you

1120
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,640
this is just oh man this is just a dandy

1121
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:03,280
uh the title of it is controversy on

1122
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:04,319
covet 19

1123
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,240
math mask study spotlights

1124
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,960
the messiness of science during a

1125
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,000
pandemic

1126
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,560
and this would kind of bring us back to

1127
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,560
my point earlier about

1128
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:19,440
how when we let them get away with

1129
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,000
climate

1130
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,040
change which they kind of

1131
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,680
remastered from rebooted from global

1132
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,000
warming which was a complete fail

1133
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,000
and then they tried to reboot it as

1134
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,680
climate change which was

1135
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,400
equally a fail maybe not as bad and it

1136
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:35,920
seems like they've kind of abandoned

1137
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,319
that

1138
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,359
because they're so successful with the

1139
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,920
pandemic thing but here's the quote that

1140
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:44,240
i loved about this that i

1141
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:49,440
shared with you

1142
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:57,829
but here this whole article is about how

1143
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:58,160
g

1144
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,240
support the idea that masks

1145
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,599
are effective in reducing the spread

1146
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:08,079
of this virus among the general

1147
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,880
population

1148
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,640
and i just did a whole show on this so

1149
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,960
folks look your mom was right

1150
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,480
when you went to kindergarten and she

1151
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,720
said cover your while you cough

1152
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:19,280
so in a laboratory you can show that a

1153
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,079
mask

1154
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,480
stops that little stuff from flying out

1155
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,440
of your mouth

1156
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,520
but that was never the issue right

1157
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,520
that's that's one of the tools

1158
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:30,079
of fake science is it's kind of a home

1159
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,200
ice thing right

1160
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,560
so let's drag the problem quote unquote

1161
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,040
let's drag the scientific question

1162
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,760
onto territory that we know we can win

1163
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,440
so in this case it's like

1164
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:44,079
do masks stop stuff from flying out of

1165
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,280
your mouth

1166
00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:47,440
and then let's do all these elaborate

1167
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,960
you know laboratory

1168
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,720
sciencey-looking experiments to prove

1169
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,760
what we already know

1170
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:56,400
of course they do but the real question

1171
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,119
anyone

1172
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,359
ever had on that from a public policy

1173
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:01,760
standpoint was

1174
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,520
do masks reduce your chance

1175
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,079
of getting the covet 19 illness disease

1176
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,760
flu whatever you want to call it

1177
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,560
and consistently we've known for years

1178
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,079
that the answer is no

1179
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,160
and surprisingly no we don't exactly

1180
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,440
understand why

1181
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,560
we never

1182
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:23,280
recommended them before and all the sars

1183
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,920
and the

1184
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:26,480
covid one and all the swine flu and all

1185
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,119
the other

1186
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,119
we we never got to the point because if

1187
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:30,319
we did get to the point the other thing

1188
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,200
we would have looked at

1189
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,119
is well what are the potential adverse

1190
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,480
effects of a mask

1191
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,640
but we never got there because we never

1192
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,000
even dreamed

1193
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,720
when we say we meaning like official

1194
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,480
science to whatever it's that

1195
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,319
they had looked at masks and they said

1196
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,920
they're not

1197
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:48,079
they they just don't seem to yield the

1198
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,200
results we thought

1199
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,520
they would in careful studies so anyways

1200
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:53,200
in this one that i brought up

1201
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,040
this to me puts a cherry on

1202
00:44:00,390 --> 00:44:00,000
what you're talking about when you say

1203
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:00,400
this

1204
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,400
next level science by edict you know

1205
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:07,119
and here's with guys well can i explain

1206
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:07,839
here's the thing

1207
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,480
so we have the epiderm epidemiology we

1208
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,200
have science on this

1209
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,560
covid phenomenon but that's

1210
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,560
only part you know the actual science

1211
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,920
being done

1212
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,480
is not really the issue for the people

1213
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,599
who are driving

1214
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,440
things like wearing masks you know the

1215
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,839
faux cheese and you know the present

1216
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:30,640
ruling structure in washington um this

1217
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:31,440
is

1218
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:34,480
about

1219
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,079
instilling cultic behavior in people

1220
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,480
as a means of control and you know the

1221
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,160
gaslighting is part of it

1222
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,440
so let's just put us let's just put

1223
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,119
aside the actual science on the code of

1224
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,829
just put a pin in that and we won't get

1225
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:51,920
into the actual disease

1226
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:55,119
you know because i'm not i'm not let me

1227
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,440
finish

1228
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,599
my thought i mean i'm not a virologist

1229
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,960
so i'm not gonna be able to speak to

1230
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,319
that within the authority but i'm

1231
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:02,800
looking at the phenomena of the masks

1232
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:03,280
and

1233
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,119
what this is

1234
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,960
is that it's all classic cult

1235
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,040
conditioning and part of the

1236
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,599
um one of the hallmarks of cult

1237
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,640
conditioning

1238
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,960
is erasing the identity the erasing the

1239
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,640
person's previous identity and that's

1240
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,839
why you see all these people and i'm

1241
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,359
just like what are you doing

1242
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,520
who wear masks in their like social

1243
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,720
media profiles

1244
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,640
because they want to show that they're

1245
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:28,400
down with the program that they're part

1246
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,119
of the cult

1247
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,160
you know they agree with this dominant

1248
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,359
gaslighting narrative and and you know

1249
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,800
they're part of the in group it's all

1250
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,640
about in groups and other groups and

1251
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,400
what's really being done here and i just

1252
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,000
see it so often

1253
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,359
is that it's just constructing a cultic

1254
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,640
mindset a cultic behavior set

1255
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
that really doesn't have anything to do

1256
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,400
with the actual science

1257
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,880
you know even the most generous

1258
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:56,480
interpretations of the

1259
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,680
the science that people like the cdc uh

1260
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,280
and the world's health organization are

1261
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,040
putting out it has nothing to do with

1262
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,640
that the issue here

1263
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,800
is controlling people's minds just

1264
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,400
controlling their attitudes

1265
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,240
and turning them against each other you

1266
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,920
know so what we have now is that we have

1267
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:14,400
the classic cult and documentation you

1268
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,440
know and we have

1269
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:18,319
the um sort of the buzzwords that we

1270
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,720
hear

1271
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,800
going on but we also have this this

1272
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:23,359
uniform the cultic uniform which erases

1273
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,160
the identity

1274
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,839
you know you see this in say basic

1275
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,040
training in militaries you know you

1276
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,560
shave their head

1277
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,040
and you take on the uniform because they

1278
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,119
want to reduce

1279
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,119
individuality as much as possible and

1280
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:36,800
that's exactly what's happening here i

1281
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,119
mean

1282
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:38,960
it's exact same phenomenon if you look

1283
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,920
at the way that this is being conducted

1284
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:42,960
um

1285
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,880
again even if you agree or disagree

1286
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:49,200
with say what people like fauci you're

1287
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,000
saying

1288
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,480
um that's almost irrelevant at this

1289
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,160
point because really what it is

1290
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,920
it's about um cultivate behavior and

1291
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,240
in groups and creating this this giant

1292
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:02,560
cult in in much the same way that mao

1293
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,119
did

1294
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,440
during the cultural revolution see chris

1295
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,200
this is why

1296
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,760
i love these dialogues with you and i

1297
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,040
hope other people can

1298
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,960
follow along and especially since you

1299
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,480
have this kind of

1300
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,599
boston kind of you know put up your

1301
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,440
dukes kind of thing

1302
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,599
and i have to chicago you know don't

1303
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,200
screw with me don't tell me i'm from

1304
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:24,480
chicago

1305
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:27,920
but it's super cool uh i man

1306
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,800
i'm totally with you but i almost think

1307
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,000
you know it's a kind of

1308
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,680
where where you want to start it's kind

1309
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,440
of a chicken or the egg thing

1310
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,640
so just i'm going to swing back to this

1311
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,720
because again i'm using the term stitch

1312
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,280
it together because i think

1313
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,920
it's kind of interesting to stitch what

1314
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,599
you're saying

1315
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,000
together with what i'm saying because i

1316
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,839
don't think despite how it might sound

1317
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,640
to people

1318
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,520
that they're at all in opposition to

1319
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,559
each other

1320
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,599
because what i'm trying to build on is

1321
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:01,200
that

1322
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:07,520
of really kind of perverse

1323
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,559
social conditioning that just is so far

1324
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:13,200
it's such a moon shot for most people to

1325
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,000
think

1326
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:17,520
that they would be kind of implementing

1327
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,400
that kind of

1328
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:21,520
cultish plan what i think people

1329
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,119
can grab onto easier is from a science

1330
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,720
perspective

1331
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,200
the way that we all understand this is

1332
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:30,880
supposed to work

1333
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,720
is that science to inform policy making

1334
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,240
decisions

1335
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,000
and those pa and that's supposed to be a

1336
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,160
transparent process

1337
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,400
so when you hear things and this is the

1338
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,160
quote that i really want to pull out

1339
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:45,520
because i think it's like

1340
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:48,880
the ultimate quote when the guy says

1341
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,440
yeah

1342
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,000
this is really a shitty study i'll

1343
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,440
acknowledge that

1344
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,000
but i still think we should use it

1345
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:58,480
because it supports the idea of mask

1346
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,200
wearing

1347
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,160
and we want people to wear masks and

1348
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:03,760
then he says this is

1349
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,960
my favorite skeptical quote instead of

1350
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,079
clamoring

1351
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,960
for scientific studies to back up

1352
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:12,640
mandates

1353
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:16,400
wait for it we will tell you

1354
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:19,839
if we get more evidence in the meantime

1355
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,200
just wear your mask so

1356
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,680
that's not science that's not science

1357
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,520
hold on see this is the point that we're

1358
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,640
not in disagreement

1359
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:31,680
for here but the point is this is what

1360
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,240
they've

1361
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,960
this is what science has become where

1362
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:35,280
it's

1363
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,720
okay to say why are you clamoring for

1364
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,000
more evidence

1365
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,359
why are you clamoring for proof for

1366
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,640
to support the edicts and that passes

1367
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,640
through the system that's what i think

1368
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,760
we were saying about

1369
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:52,880
the the james randy breakdown of the

1370
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,880
scientific uh of the scientific media

1371
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,760
is now that passes through the system

1372
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:00,960
without even

1373
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,400
any check or or second thought to it

1374
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,240
and i think that's where we're at and i

1375
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,000
think that's incredibly

1376
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,680
a first step enabling

1377
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:14,000
cornerstone for what you're talking

1378
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:14,720
about

1379
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,400
with the masks as a kind of symbolic

1380
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,599
social engineering effort

1381
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,680
well it's cultism you know this is

1382
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,040
something i've been looking at for a

1383
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,880
very very long time

1384
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,640
is that there's never been a culture

1385
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:31,280
without a cult there's never been

1386
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,040
in the history of the world a

1387
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,480
culture that exists without at least one

1388
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,839
major cult or if not a predominant cult

1389
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,960
um it's just it's never happened so when

1390
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:45,599
people

1391
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,839
and hitchens and

1392
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,760
dennett and sagan and all these people

1393
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,119
were really probably

1394
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,119
tasked with was just breaking down the

1395
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,200
old belief systems

1396
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:00,319
and then the new belief system could be

1397
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,200
sort of

1398
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:03,520
eased in and you know one thing that i

1399
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,319
keep saying

1400
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,400
and i'm sure maybe a lot of your

1401
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,079
listeners will just think i'm insane

1402
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,319
but really a lot of what this is all

1403
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:12,319
about is about

1404
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:16,240
restoring uh

1405
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,760
a state cult much the same as

1406
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,280
what we saw in ancient rome and that's

1407
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,880
why we keep seeing

1408
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,800
you know all these rituals fall public

1409
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:25,920
rituals falling

1410
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,200
on these models taken from ancient rome

1411
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,599
uh you know that i've been looking at so

1412
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:33,760
when you take the the ritualism

1413
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,880
which we see at every super bowl now and

1414
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,559
and every oscars now and this is

1415
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,160
something that i've detailed

1416
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:43,520
for 15 years uh and you combine it with

1417
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:44,160
this

1418
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,720
mass conditioning

1419
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,559
into like this invasion of the body

1420
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,240
snatches reality

1421
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,319
um they go together because they're all

1422
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,920
moving towards the same goal and that's

1423
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,280
why we'll see you know

1424
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,760
there's this whole human cry to pull

1425
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,880
down these old

1426
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,520
uh statues of ulysses s grant or

1427
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,400
something whatever

1428
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,839
i mean but look what they're putting up

1429
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,839
in place of it you know in front of the

1430
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,640
um san francisco city hall now there's a

1431
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,319
statue of assaber nepal

1432
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,079
the um uh babylonian king a syria

1433
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,440
uh babylonian king and people

1434
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,520
in the syrian community uh looked out

1435
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,800
and said that's that's not asher

1436
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,240
bernapal let's

1437
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,559
that's gilgamesh you know so why are

1438
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:27,839
they putting a gilgamesh

1439
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:31,040
statue in front of the san francisco

1440
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,240
city hall it

1441
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,960
it's it's bizarre and we just keep

1442
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:36,240
seeing this over and over again why did

1443
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,280
they put

1444
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,319
a statue of medusa holding the head of

1445
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:42,800
perseus in front of the the court

1446
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,400
room or the courthouse where uh

1447
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,920
harvey weinstein underwent this extended

1448
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,240
ritual humiliation and that's exactly

1449
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,559
what it was

1450
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:57,040
why is this all happening because this

1451
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,079
is all moving

1452
00:53:01,109 --> 00:53:00,160
towards the goal and the goals in in

1453
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:01,119
large part

1454
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:05,440
were at least suggested if not inferred

1455
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,720
by uh sri back in the early 70s with the

1456
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,760
changing

1457
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:12,079
images of man when they they recommended

1458
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:13,119
that

1459
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:16,720
a post-christian society be uh

1460
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:20,720
constructed along cultic lines and and

1461
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,359
offered up

1462
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:24,319
the uh the example of the freemasons as

1463
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:24,559
a

1464
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,319
like

1465
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,359
pure blue sky

1466
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:36,000
alex jones david eye craziness no it's

1467
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:37,119
it was published it's

1468
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,480
go look it up yourself if you don't

1469
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,559
believe me you can find it changing

1470
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,720
images of man uh released

1471
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:45,680
by the stanford research institute so

1472
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,559
this stuff is not

1473
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:51,280
new it's been going on for a while and

1474
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,760
you i

1475
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,520
i just like i said i don't think you can

1476
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,040
separate

1477
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,920
this whole cultic behavior where you're

1478
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,640
creating

1479
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,640
you know a demonology you know anybody

1480
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,240
who doesn't wear the mask is

1481
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:05,839
is a demon and the mask is the uh

1482
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:09,280
annihilation of individuality which is

1483
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,400
you know it's a prime aspect of any cult

1484
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:14,160
throughout history

1485
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:17,599
so you can't separate all these things

1486
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,040
and that kind of you know ifl

1487
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,079
science whatever

1488
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,520
any passages of of randyism i i would

1489
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,559
just predict

1490
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,680
they would just be erased from society

1491
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,880
altogether

1492
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,559
um you know rebecca washington had

1493
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,559
written when when randy died had written

1494
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,240
you know very scathing article

1495
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:41,599
sort of decrying him for um

1496
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:45,200
heresy and uh you know sacrilege against

1497
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,480
the new oak faith and i think

1498
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,880
that had some great effect i mean nobody

1499
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:52,160
is going to talk about randy anymore

1500
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,559
he's

1501
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:55,760
over they have uh

1502
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:59,040
this rump cult but it's society has

1503
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,760
moved on

1504
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,520
and i think that the the social

1505
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,160
engineers have moved on

1506
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:06,240
my point is one of the things that fell

1507
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,280
out of that

1508
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,400
was the knowledge in terms of how to

1509
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,280
manipulate

1510
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,760
the science media in a way that they

1511
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,520
didn't have before

1512
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,359
but the communists did that the nazis

1513
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,400
did that i mean the manipulation

1514
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,720
is an old phenomenon you're just kind of

1515
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:24,240
steamrolling over the point

1516
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,599
i was on the front line of this i'm

1517
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,520
telling you for 10 years

1518
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,760
with the sheldrick and the raiden's

1519
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,720
experiments

1520
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,119
and then all the nde and the pinball

1521
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,599
lamo and i traced that stuff

1522
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,760
as it came out through the scientific

1523
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,839
literature and then into the popular

1524
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,119
science literature

1525
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,400
and they became more refined and more

1526
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,280
exact in how to manipulate that there

1527
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,359
was a real growth process there

1528
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,839
so it's almost to me like the you know

1529
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,839
butterfly coming out of the

1530
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,000
uh the caterpillar they didn't need

1531
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,319
randy anymore to a certain extent randy

1532
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,520
became a burden

1533
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,520
they had all the skills they had the

1534
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,920
gang stalking on wikipedia

1535
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,839
to you know control i can't even believe

1536
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,200
you have a wikipedia entry

1537
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,799
i remember when sheldor went on to

1538
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,640
change his wikipedia entry and he was

1539
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,920
kicked off it

1540
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,839
they figured you can't believe that i

1541
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:15,760
have a i have a wikipedia entry

1542
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,119
yes yes yes i i was created like a long

1543
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,640
time ago i i don't know

1544
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,400
some guy who interviewed me for a

1545
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,640
podcast created that without my

1546
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,160
permission so

1547
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,160
yeah well it's coming down after this

1548
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:30,079
show probably someone get out there and

1549
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:31,200
take it down

1550
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:34,000
but the the point is again i lived

1551
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,720
through that

1552
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,119
they didn't know how to do that stuff

1553
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,400
before

1554
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,480
and then after they did know how to do

1555
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,839
that stuff so you can say the nazis are

1556
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,200
whoever stalin knew how to do it

1557
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,319
but the modern-day kind of uh

1558
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,359
randiites kind of crazy skeptics that

1559
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:54,079
by the way when my pho when my show

1560
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:54,640
first

1561
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:58,559
aired i had 300

1562
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,720
uh negative reviews on apple

1563
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,119
within two months now this has been yeah

1564
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,480
it's called brigading

1565
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,559
yeah so this is back in the year dating

1566
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:10,160
this is back in the day where you know

1567
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,040
you don't get

1568
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,040
you'll you'll have a hard time finding

1569
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:15,119
somebody with 300 negative

1570
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,640
300 way back in the day like 10 12 years

1571
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,200
ago

1572
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,359
so i'm just saying they developed a

1573
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,880
skill set in terms of how

1574
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,680
how to manipulate the science media that

1575
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,680
they didn't have before and i i guess

1576
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,079
i've said it five times over now but

1577
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:32,160
that's kind of one one place i want to

1578
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,119
go with that

1579
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,760
it's accelerated because of social media

1580
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,040
and i i think it's

1581
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,720
you know there are a couple of factors

1582
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:40,319
playing in here one is that

1583
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:43,520
instant outrage

1584
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:46,720
machine on twitter and and to a lesser

1585
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,400
extent facebook um and a lot of it

1586
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,240
is is a generation of young people who

1587
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,839
are extremely alienated who are very

1588
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,160
poorly educated and have been very

1589
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,040
poorly prepared for the workplace and

1590
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,559
really don't have anything with time on

1591
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,760
their hands

1592
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,680
and they become very angry and bitter

1593
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,799
about that and i would say

1594
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,200
understandably i you know i i think that

1595
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,640
uh i remember reading in

1596
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,720
starship troopers and robert heinlein

1597
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:15,920
said you know that uh

1598
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:19,119
he had well he said to the guys of a

1599
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,839
teacher

1600
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:22,240
in the military academy he said you know

1601
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,599
children are not delinquent

1602
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,440
parents are delinquent and not raising

1603
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,880
their children properly

1604
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,799
it's words to that effect and i i think

1605
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,720
that that's you know major power we see

1606
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,920
and then of course

1607
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,520
now today you know we have this whole

1608
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,319
lockdown thing that's been going on for

1609
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,520
over a year now um

1610
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,520
people have a lot of time on their hands

1611
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:42,640
and they're afraid

1612
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:46,160
and they're being gaslit and um

1613
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,160
they have to lash out at someone and

1614
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:52,000
you know there are great penalties for

1615
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,839
lashing out at you know x

1616
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:56,160
amount of groups who are protected so

1617
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:57,520
you just find the people who aren't

1618
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,240
protected

1619
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:01,520
and unleash all your anger on uh

1620
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:05,359
yeah it's been going on for

1621
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,680
i don't know three or four years now um

1622
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:10,960
and the you know the trump

1623
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:13,440
administration uh you know the whole the

1624
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,920
election

1625
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:16,079
and all that kind of stuff and all this

1626
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,520
russiagate kind of business

1627
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,920
um i think that just poured gasoline on

1628
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:20,960
the fire it just

1629
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:24,799
it accelerated this pole cult

1630
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,559
uh this mass cult brainwashing

1631
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:30,000
you know to a degree that we haven't

1632
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,520
like i said we haven't seen since the

1633
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,559
cultural revolution in china in the 60s

1634
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:37,839
okay so folks i want to remind you that

1635
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,880
this fantastic kind of back and forth

1636
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:42,640
dialogue we're having

1637
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,079
is loosely based on this book

1638
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,119
the endless american midnight and i want

1639
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:51,119
to remind you this

1640
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,400
we have basically talked about

1641
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,440
one or two

1642
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,640
of the short chapters in this book

1643
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,720
we could i i could and i will try and

1644
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,200
get chris back on as often as i can

1645
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:08,000
to talk about more and more and more of

1646
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,880
these because they're

1647
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:11,200
all just this deep it's like i told you

1648
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,160
at the beginning

1649
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,799
when you dive into the secret sun you

1650
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,880
better clear the afternoon or the

1651
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,640
evening off because

1652
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,880
you might be there for a while it's

1653
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:22,880
incredibly deep

1654
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:26,160
so i i thought what we would try and do

1655
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:29,440
i would love to hammer you on the

1656
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:33,280
technology thing because i just don't

1657
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,000
think

1658
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,960
you you got the chops there i mean i was

1659
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:37,520
in the

1660
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:41,280
phd program in artificial intelligence

1661
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,720
many moons ago i walked the la the halls

1662
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,400
of texas instruments

1663
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,640
i just interviewed a gold badger from

1664
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,400
texas instruments who was a

1665
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,319
senior member of the technical staff and

1666
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,920
as a phd in quantum

1667
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,880
computing from the university of texas i

1668
01:01:02,549 --> 01:00:58,559
interviewed riz verk

1669
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,559
from the mit game lab i can tell

1670
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:03,920
the bullshitters and the

1671
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:06,079
non-bullshitters two of those guys are

1672
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:07,680
those two guys are definitely

1673
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,240
not bullshitters and this idea that

1674
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,400
we've kind of hit the wall

1675
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:15,440
uh no no what we have to worry about

1676
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,640
is the opposite of that because as as

1677
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:21,040
much as we

1678
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:25,040
don't like the the crazy over-the-top

1679
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:29,599
singularity idea there is an ultimate

1680
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:32,799
truth to the advancement of technology

1681
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:35,680
the advancement of computer technology

1682
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:39,760
and kind of augmented consciousness

1683
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,280
that is undeniable but unless you had a

1684
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,880
quick comment on that

1685
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,480
yeah i do have a quick comments on it

1686
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,319
and and you know really what the are you

1687
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:49,920
as a true believer in all that stuff

1688
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:52,960
up until not that long ago

1689
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:55,920
and yeah i was you know i would have

1690
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:56,799
agreed

1691
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,680
with anything anybody said about ai or

1692
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:00,799
quantum computing

1693
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,000
or technological

1694
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:06,960
progress um but what couple things

1695
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:07,680
happened

1696
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:10,880
been reading this

1697
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:14,000
you know popular science material for

1698
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,599
uh most of my life and i just keep

1699
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:19,280
seeing these promises made

1700
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,000
over and over and over again and they

1701
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,599
you know nothing ever comes to them you

1702
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,319
know these amazing breakthroughs

1703
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,559
um yeah but that's that you just you

1704
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,920
never see but no no

1705
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,920
let me just finish what i'm saying so

1706
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:34,079
and then they then they recycle these

1707
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:34,880
things

1708
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,359
the other thing that i kind of based on

1709
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:39,520
is just you know my journeys around the

1710
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,799
the internet um you know just

1711
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,799
various kind of strange corners you know

1712
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,000
maybe some different

1713
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:49,359
reddit forums or whatnot and there's a

1714
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:52,480
there's always a lot of people

1715
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,920
involved in these tech firms

1716
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,319
that are just like you have to say ai

1717
01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,920
stuff it's just

1718
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,319
chris it's not what they say it is let

1719
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,920
me give you two touch points that you

1720
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,960
can go research

1721
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,680
if you want on your own one is a movie

1722
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,960
that anyone can watch and i

1723
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,799
talked about it a lot i think it's super

1724
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,319
interesting it's

1725
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,559
the movie's called alphago have you ever

1726
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,160
seen it

1727
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,400
it's a it's a netflix movie and it's

1728
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,079
about google's

1729
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:23,599
alphago project to create a machine

1730
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:27,200
learning game playing go

1731
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,880
winner and go is this kind of next level

1732
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:32,640
chess that's been around in

1733
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:36,160
in asia forever and it's the if you go

1734
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:36,799
to

1735
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:39,920
you know china korea particularly japan

1736
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,920
you know any of the asian countries go

1737
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:44,480
is like wow and this best go player in

1738
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,680
the world is considered

1739
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,280
you know an untouchable genius in the

1740
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,880
way that we think about chess right

1741
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,240
and everyone acknowledge has

1742
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,079
acknowledged for the longest time that

1743
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:55,200
go from a machine learning standpoint is

1744
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,720
more difficult than chess chess was

1745
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:58,240
cracked a few years ago

1746
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:01,760
with uh big blue deep blue yeah deep

1747
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,039
blue by ibm

1748
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:06,240
and kind of a in kind of a dorky way but

1749
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,799
go watch that documentary on netflix or

1750
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,880
wherever it's at now

1751
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,319
and you'll see the whole thing is laid

1752
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:14,480
out there and it's it becomes a very

1753
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,520
public event

1754
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,760
and the guy who is this korean guy who's

1755
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:18,960
the world champ

1756
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,680
goes through the same process we're all

1757
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:23,839
going to go through when we realize

1758
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:26,000
we really can't compete with machine

1759
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:26,960
intelligence

1760
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:29,839
and the easter egg in in the whole thing

1761
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,160
is

1762
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,520
that the way the machine beats him

1763
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,079
is actually a completely novel and new

1764
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,240
way of thinking about that problem

1765
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,440
that was never considered before because

1766
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,280
the way that humans think

1767
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:45,920
is different than the way that computers

1768
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,400
think

1769
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,000
so check out that number one but then

1770
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,920
check out number two to just really

1771
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,880
scare you

1772
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:52,880
is if you know anything about quantum

1773
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:54,160
physics you know that one of the

1774
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,960
principles of

1775
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,480
quantum physics is this idea of

1776
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,079
entanglement

1777
01:05:01,190 --> 01:05:00,240
is that you can have things and that

1778
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:01,200
they become

1779
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,160
entangled and entanglement suggests that

1780
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,079
time and space doesn't really exist

1781
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,599
because these bits

1782
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,559
as they're flipped flip across the world

1783
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:13,920
at the same time

1784
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,640
well the technology the engineering that

1785
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,400
comes out of that to this point has

1786
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:19,760
reached the point where

1787
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,119
our friends and our future

1788
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,079
overlords in china have now developed a

1789
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:27,920
satellite modem

1790
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,839
that uses quantum entanglement

1791
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:34,160
to send information this is

1792
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:35,440
unprecedented

1793
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:38,079
it's never been even we're way behind on

1794
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,799
that at least

1795
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,880
in terms of what they tell us the

1796
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,240
implications for it

1797
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,520
in terms of uh encrypted communication

1798
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:48,079
and in in terms of just uh instant

1799
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,200
communication

1800
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,839
are mind-blowing so when you start

1801
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,680
combining these things like machine

1802
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:55,599
intelligence machine learning

1803
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:58,799
ai strong ai where we can demonstrate it

1804
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:02,000
and then our ability to harvest the

1805
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:03,520
quantum world

1806
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,039
and turn it into technology

1807
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,440
there's plenty of room for for more

1808
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:11,839
advancement

1809
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:14,640
well i i know what you're saying but

1810
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:15,200
this

1811
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:18,000
the issue of things being able to be

1812
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,400
done

1813
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:20,799
on paper and then the issue of things

1814
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,280
being practical in a real world

1815
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:25,520
setting and i think there's a lot of you

1816
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,640
know there's a lot of interesting

1817
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,160
theoretical science

1818
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,760
you know pertaining to ai and things

1819
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:31,280
like that

1820
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,160
but you know i i would just like to see

1821
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,720
you know more evidence you know you can

1822
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,839
train a machine

1823
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:42,720
to play go but can you train that same

1824
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:43,680
machine to cook

1825
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:46,640
a hard-boiled egg can you turn the same

1826
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,200
machine

1827
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,880
to we never thought we could train a

1828
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,400
machine to play go they thought it was

1829
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,799
impossible

1830
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,520
but but is it really i mean it all works

1831
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,440
along you know certain

1832
01:07:01,270 --> 01:07:00,240
systems and algorithms no it doesn't see

1833
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,280
it it doesn't

1834
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:04,480
like the way they if if you you got to

1835
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,440
have a little bit of a deeper

1836
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,880
understanding of that stuff and then you

1837
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,160
got to go watch the film

1838
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,400
because the way they did it with alphago

1839
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,160
was quite unique one they used

1840
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,200
something called neural networks that uh

1841
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:17,520
completely lend themselves to quantum

1842
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,799
computing which is the next

1843
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:21,280
huge leap quantum computing at this

1844
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,640
point isn't good for

1845
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,640
a lot of problems but it's good for

1846
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,240
neural network problems

1847
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:28,880
so they combine that with machine

1848
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:29,680
learning

1849
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:32,000
and then along with just kind of this

1850
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:33,359
deep database

1851
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:36,079
diving kind of deep blue stuff and again

1852
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:37,599
you shouldn't know about any of this

1853
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,079
stuff

1854
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:40,160
i was a freaking computer programmer i

1855
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,359
was in the

1856
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,640
ai program at the university arizona you

1857
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,559
know you study this stuff it's libby

1858
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:48,640
like me talking about music i don't know

1859
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,359
crap

1860
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,440
about music but i know something about

1861
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:53,599
this and i know it's no it's not

1862
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:56,079
just we could program it to do anything

1863
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,880
it's like

1864
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:59,440
we didn't know how to do it some really

1865
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,559
smart guys

1866
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:03,440
got some new technology and suddenly it

1867
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,440
became possible for them to do stuff

1868
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:10,640
well you know listen i'm persuadable

1869
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:14,960
uh i'm it's funny i i i'm very skeptical

1870
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,759
about a lot of things pretty much

1871
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:19,279
everything you know because i like to

1872
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:20,799
test things and i like to

1873
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:24,000
you know be have them proven to me and i

1874
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,040
you know i've read a lot of

1875
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,040
these these articles on these things and

1876
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:28,799
i've seen some of these these videos and

1877
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,359
so on

1878
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,319
and you know listen if they prove me

1879
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:34,000
wrong that's fine i mean i'm wrong all

1880
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:35,520
the time i have no problem with being

1881
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,080
wrong

1882
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,759
you know i don't want to be right i want

1883
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,759
to know the truth you know there's a big

1884
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,000
difference between the two

1885
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:44,719
but i've just like i said i just keep

1886
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:45,920
seeing this stuff cycle

1887
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,630
you know it just makes me very jaded you

1888
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:54,239
know everything has been right around

1889
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,120
the corner since

1890
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:57,920
i was in my teens you know moon bases

1891
01:09:02,390 --> 01:08:59,120
were right around the corner

1892
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,400
and uh autonomous robots put right

1893
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:03,920
around the corner and and

1894
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,159
you know you name it it it just

1895
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:10,319
i i get to be very skeptical about it

1896
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,600
and a little bit

1897
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:14,000
shadated and cynical but like i said i'm

1898
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:14,880
persuadable

1899
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:17,759
uh you know we'll see what happens but i

1900
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,120
just think that there's an

1901
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:21,120
immense amount of mythology that kind of

1902
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,319
arises out of

1903
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,159
these things you know that they're the

1904
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,679
giant

1905
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,159
you know five mile deep underground

1906
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:30,480
bases in the archuleta mesa where you

1907
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,359
know

1908
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,920
sp flying saucers are being reverse

1909
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,440
engineered and all these kind of things

1910
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,799
when you just you hear these stories

1911
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,319
over and over again and it's never

1912
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,319
amounts to anything

1913
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,719
so you know like for you know the zoom

1914
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:44,080
technology you know

1915
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:47,520
very useful very impressive but

1916
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:50,080
how is it different than what you know

1917
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,600
people like jacques valet were working

1918
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:52,719
on

1919
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,600
in the early 70s you know i mean every

1920
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:57,920
all the technology that we have now

1921
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:00,960
was being theorized and

1922
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,040
modeled and experimented with you know

1923
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,400
50 years or so ago so

1924
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:11,520
i i just i am skeptical that i'm also

1925
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,640
persuadable

1926
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:14,640
you know i i like i said i don't want to

1927
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,149
you're with me yeah i love that point

1928
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,159
about persuadable and i want to touch on

1929
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,159
it for just a second because

1930
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,239
you know like i told you in the email

1931
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,080
you got a batting average

1932
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:36,239
that's way above hall of fame you know

1933
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,360
what i mean like

1934
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,280
nobody gets up there and swings and

1935
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,280
knocks everything out of the park

1936
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,679
and if you're not willing to kind of go

1937
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,960
in all these different areas

1938
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,360
like i am i talk about so much stuff

1939
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,520
that i have no business talking about

1940
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,880
because i really don't know

1941
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:53,520
but sometimes you have to try and make

1942
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,480
those connections

1943
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:57,120
and stick your neck out because

1944
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:58,000
otherwise

1945
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,120
you're not going to have a chance to

1946
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,199
really invite the dialogue and if you

1947
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,800
are open like you are

1948
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:04,480
then it's all good in the end anyway

1949
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,080
because you learn something and that

1950
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:07,520
doesn't mean that i'm right because i

1951
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,320
might be wrong

1952
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:10,880
on the on the ai stuff you might be

1953
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,360
right and i'm totally down with that so

1954
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:16,480
i i just so respect that and i want to

1955
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,440
emphasize that

1956
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:19,520
because you know one of the sure sure

1957
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:20,480
signs

1958
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,920
of a phony of a fake and i've found it

1959
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,400
so many times on this show is when they

1960
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,840
won't come up

1961
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,679
they're all talk and then it's like

1962
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,000
great i provide a fair dialogue i

1963
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:33,840
provide an open dialogue

1964
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,880
but they don't want to engage really

1965
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,040
they want to do this kind of

1966
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:41,360
hide-and-seek kind of thing hey do you

1967
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,880
have time to talk a little bit about the

1968
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,600
romans

1969
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,400
you want to try and do it in 15 minutes

1970
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:47,920
sure

1971
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,640
so chris you have been super duper

1972
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:52,480
generous with your time and

1973
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,000
i i do want to try we'll do a quick

1974
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,120
hit on this last topic another

1975
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:01,920
folks another chapter from this amazing

1976
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,640
book

1977
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:05,120
the endless american midnight which not

1978
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,159
only can you buy

1979
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,800
and curl up on your sofa and read but

1980
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,440
it's also a great one to give

1981
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,679
to somebody else who maybe isn't as

1982
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,920
familiar with chris's work as you are

1983
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,440
and they can kind of get it without

1984
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,120
having to do the deep dive

1985
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:22,400
so here's another one uh

1986
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,080
why i am not a mythicist uh mythicist

1987
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:28,560
being kind of someone who believes that

1988
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:32,080
jesus was a myth in history and i

1989
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,960
am gonna do so many shows on this

1990
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:36,400
because i think there's a

1991
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:39,920
really important tracing back

1992
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,640
of social engineering that goes on with

1993
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,679
this whole thing

1994
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,239
but in terms of the groundwork for it

1995
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,400
why don't we start with

1996
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:50,320
where you were going with this and some

1997
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:53,840
of the observations you have about

1998
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,950
well i was friendly with uh acharya asks

1999
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:03,199
uh dorothy murdoch she passed away a few

2000
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,080
years ago

2001
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,400
um and you know i had a number of

2002
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,920
conversations with her and you know i've

2003
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:09,360
been following this stuff for a long

2004
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:09,760
time

2005
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,640
people know chariot s zeitgeist is where

2006
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:15,040
she really got a big boost in popularity

2007
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:18,880
yeah but but here's the problem i mean

2008
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:21,920
acharya was a very good scholar but she

2009
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,199
i mean she was a good researcher but she

2010
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,120
i think she was very credulous because

2011
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,560
she accepted a lot of

2012
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,840
very questionable sources from you know

2013
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:33,520
late 19th century

2014
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,800
victorian england and a lot of the

2015
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,920
science or

2016
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,600
the discoveries i mean just the actual

2017
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:41,120
available evidence is very poor and

2018
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,400
there's a lot of conjecture there and

2019
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:44,320
there's a lot of um

2020
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:47,840
free masonic uh wishful thinking

2021
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,120
embedded into a lot of that stuff so

2022
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,920
yeah somebody who's read a lot of these

2023
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,440
myths that she said were just like

2024
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:58,000
jesus that they're not they just aren't

2025
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:59,440
i mean if you actually read these

2026
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,320
stories they're just

2027
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:03,120
they're just not like the story of jesus

2028
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:03,840
um

2029
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,120
you know you can stretch

2030
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:09,199
comparisons in some cases and you know

2031
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,480
they're always going to be overlaps

2032
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,239
because a lot of the stuff

2033
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,239
a lot of these myths and these rituals

2034
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:16,159
and so on are based in the stars it's

2035
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:17,920
based on star magic

2036
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,320
so there is going to be a certain amount

2037
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:21,840
of overlap

2038
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,520
but the um that i i think even the

2039
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,600
the guy who made zeitgeist is pretty

2040
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:28,880
much

2041
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,679
disowned that first section there which

2042
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,080
it's the scholarship is just very poor

2043
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,760
um there are a lot of things that are

2044
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:37,280
you know said to be just like jesus

2045
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:38,719
they're just they're just not

2046
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,840
and i i think that a lot of the

2047
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:43,760
mythicist arguments

2048
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,640
are based on a couple faulty assumptions

2049
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,920
first of all that

2050
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,520
these comparisons are valid which

2051
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,520
they're not second of all

2052
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:54,239
that real people who do real things

2053
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,719
can't be

2054
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,199
mythologized which is just you know

2055
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:59,040
people are mythologized all the time i

2056
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,480
mean look at how donald trump has been

2057
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:01,600
mythologized

2058
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,880
so the myth of emphasizing people

2059
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,800
you know there's there's no great leap

2060
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,000
there i mean

2061
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,800
uh you know the examples that i pointed

2062
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,080
out was that these movies are like you

2063
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,199
know billy the kid versus dracula or

2064
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,640
you know jessie james versus

2065
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,480
frankenstein's daughter i mean jesse

2066
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:22,080
james and billy the kid were both real

2067
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,960
people

2068
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,120
they as far as i know they never you

2069
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,600
know did battle with dracula with

2070
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,880
frankenstein's daughter

2071
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,320
you're talking about bible stories that

2072
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:32,719
are dismissed as mythology

2073
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,840
and you say we have to be more open to

2074
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,360
how history was written during that

2075
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:39,280
period and then you're also saying that

2076
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:39,760
the

2077
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:43,280
thrust

2078
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,719
of the mythicist movement is wow this

2079
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:48,320
jesus is just a reboot

2080
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:51,040
of a movie we've seen before in all

2081
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,159
these other religions

2082
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,000
just so people understand where you're

2083
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,920
coming from yeah i mean that's that's

2084
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,239
kind of what it boils down to but you

2085
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:00,159
know a lot of the comparisons they make

2086
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:01,120
are either

2087
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:06,080
just flat out wrong uh you know based on

2088
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:10,080
you know mythologizing of mythology

2089
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,880
in the in the late 19th century in in

2090
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,480
victorian england

2091
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,159
and which was really a hot house for

2092
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:18,320
this stuff you know a great case in

2093
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,520
point to somebody like gerald

2094
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,800
massey i mean nobody i mean people in in

2095
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,679
even in esoteric egyptology don't take

2096
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,520
gerald massey very seriously because he

2097
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,800
just made things up

2098
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,400
and a lot of these guys made things up

2099
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,400
because they had these other agendas

2100
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,159
and you know you couldn't fact check a

2101
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,920
lot of this stuff back then

2102
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,440
so you know like i said i mean i think

2103
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,960
dorothy i mean dorothy was brilliant she

2104
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:40,320
could read latin she could read greek

2105
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:41,360
she could read hebrew

2106
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:44,719
you know i mean all these things

2107
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,360
but just because you're brilliant

2108
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,480
doesn't mean you're not

2109
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,360
credulous or a little bit too

2110
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,800
impressionable and you know this is the

2111
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,920
same thing with with

2112
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:56,400
anybody in any establishment scientist

2113
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,920
uh science you know maybe they are

2114
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:59,280
brilliant people who have

2115
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,800
degrees up to wazoo i mean look at

2116
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,239
somebody like kurtzweil everybody knows

2117
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,760
that kurzweil is a brilliant man he's a

2118
01:17:07,630 --> 01:17:04,880
genius

2119
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,640
but he's all into this this whole

2120
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:09,360
transhumanism

2121
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:15,910
takes seriously i mean some people will

2122
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,320
be

2123
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:18,000
reluctant to admit they don't take it

2124
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,600
seriously but nobody takes the stuff

2125
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,880
seriously it's just like

2126
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,120
kurzweil is so afraid of death that he

2127
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,640
has to build his own religion you know

2128
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:26,960
this whole singularity religion

2129
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:30,800
that just doesn't pass muster

2130
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:33,840
and i think the same was true with um

2131
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:37,600
with dorothy so i mean i i've

2132
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:40,880
read the other material

2133
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,760
you know um but i just i just don't find

2134
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,800
it persuadable

2135
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,159
and there are a number of reasons you

2136
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:48,320
know if you want to get into them why i

2137
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,239
would argue that

2138
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:53,199
jesus was not mythological figure but

2139
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,000
somebody who's

2140
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,400
who's whose life his real life became

2141
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,080
mythologized because

2142
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:00,400
there is not one single figure from the

2143
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,760
ancient world whose life was not

2144
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:02,960
mythologized

2145
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,000
in one way or another see i'm coming at

2146
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:07,760
it from a different angle than you chris

2147
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,800
big surprise the folks who stuck around

2148
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,239
here for a couple hours and listen to

2149
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:13,679
this

2150
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:21,520
is flavius josephus

2151
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:24,560
and uh enough people have heard me talk

2152
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:26,080
about this but

2153
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:29,360
you know just as a backgrounder josephus

2154
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:32,960
is this jewish general

2155
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:36,640
in galilee when this when the romans

2156
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,360
come

2157
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:39,840
to kind of put down the rebellion in

2158
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:41,600
judea

2159
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:44,880
for the umpteenth time he

2160
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,480
is the general of the first army they

2161
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,760
meet

2162
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,920
and what a lot of people will

2163
01:18:56,590 --> 01:18:52,880
acknowledge

2164
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:56,600
and is part of just our history is that

2165
01:19:03,350 --> 01:18:59,920
josephus's account becomes

2166
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:03,360
the historical record for that campaign

2167
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:06,719
and he's uh he's he's quite an

2168
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:09,679
author he cranks out the books one after

2169
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,480
another

2170
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:13,600
and as the story goes see josephus

2171
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:16,000
defends the best he can against the

2172
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:16,880
romans

2173
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:20,000
and then goes into a cave and admits

2174
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,199
that he better or

2175
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,840
decides that it's best to commit suicide

2176
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:25,679
even though it's against jewish law

2177
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:30,000
than to go out and be captured by the

2178
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,800
romans

2179
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:32,159
so they do this elaborate thing where

2180
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,360
they all kind of kill each other until

2181
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:34,880
there's just two left

2182
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,840
and then josephus comes out of the cave

2183
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,159
and has a revelatory experience

2184
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,679
he actually has two revelatory

2185
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,239
experiences the first one

2186
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:46,560
that you'll hear just parroted over and

2187
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:47,440
over again on

2188
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,480
every history channel bbc and

2189
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,640
as well as biblical scholar and

2190
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:54,080
religious scholar

2191
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,640
is that he said he has a prophecy

2192
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:01,199
that the spazian who is just this

2193
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,239
general and doesn't

2194
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,400
isn't in the bloodline of caesar so

2195
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:05,760
wouldn't it seem to be a likely

2196
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:06,719
candidate

2197
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,600
for becoming the next caesar but he says

2198
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,280
you know what you're going to be the guy

2199
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:14,000
in a couple years he says really to

2200
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,880
think that

2201
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:17,120
so he the story goes he kind of keeps

2202
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:19,600
him around and then when he's made

2203
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,639
emperor when he's made caesar he become

2204
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,639
he says wow this guy's really valuable

2205
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:26,159
we should keep him around as the

2206
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,639
historian but the other thing that he

2207
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:30,400
says

2208
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,520
that is the total game changer that

2209
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:35,120
everyone overlooks

2210
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,239
that completely reveals the whole

2211
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:41,280
game in terms of social engineering

2212
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,800
2 000 years ago and the beginning of

2213
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,440
how the romans were almost as smart as

2214
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:49,199
we are because no one's as smart as we

2215
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:49,760
are

2216
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,280
at running these games is that

2217
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,360
josephus comes out of the cave and he

2218
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:57,280
says you know what

2219
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:00,480
um first of all he says i'm a super jew

2220
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:03,520
and by that when i was 14 years old i

2221
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:04,719
knew

2222
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:09,600
that i went to jerusalem and i kicked

2223
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,000
butt

2224
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,560
intellectually on all the other old men

2225
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,360
that were there

2226
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,120
and they all bowed down to me and said

2227
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,199
wow you're the you're like a dream kid

2228
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,960
you're the smartest kid in the world

2229
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,560
and then he has all these other claims

2230
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,080
that he makes about how just

2231
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,800
he was a member of the scenes the

2232
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,719
pharisees he was all of them but at the

2233
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,520
same time

2234
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,840
all these just impossible to believe and

2235
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:31,040
impossible

2236
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:34,880
for a true jew at the time to be

2237
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,760
but anyways he comes out of the cave and

2238
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,080
here's what he says chris

2239
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,920
he says you know what i love my jewish

2240
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:45,199
people

2241
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:48,320
but you guys missed the point our

2242
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:51,840
entire prophecy our entire

2243
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:55,840
religion points towards

2244
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,880
spazian being the messiah

2245
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:01,520
the spazian being the one that would

2246
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:02,800
fulfill

2247
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,080
our prophecies so you talk

2248
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,800
in that article about joe atwell i love

2249
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:10,320
joe atwell

2250
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,280
combined two conspiracies together

2251
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,600
in a way that kind of obfuscates what's

2252
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:20,880
really going on

2253
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:23,679
because this first conspiracy is really

2254
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,000
the

2255
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:27,040
most important and that's that

2256
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,159
josephus emerging from that cave

2257
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,520
and saying i'm the super jew

2258
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:35,920
and i'm telling you folks here's what

2259
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:37,520
it's about

2260
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,719
the spazian is the messiah we should all

2261
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:43,520
all good jewish people should convert

2262
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,159
over

2263
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,639
and the reason why this isn't kind of

2264
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,480
emphasized and understood

2265
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:51,440
is because this is global warming it's a

2266
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,719
failed conspiracy

2267
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:55,679
it doesn't work everybody in judea

2268
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:56,560
doesn't go

2269
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,239
oh okay this basian is really

2270
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,679
we're going to rewrite our entire

2271
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:03,520
religion all our family beliefs

2272
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:06,639
the spacing it's a failed

2273
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,679
psyop but it's a psyop nonetheless

2274
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,480
so we don't have time to go into all

2275
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:14,480
this but i do want to kind of kick this

2276
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,120
off

2277
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:17,679
and see if maybe we generate an ongoing

2278
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,880
dialogue about this

2279
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,639
because i think it's right up your alley

2280
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:22,480
and i think it's i'm confused though i

2281
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:23,920
mean i don't understand how

2282
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:27,760
this impacts on you know my argument

2283
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:30,880
that jesus was a real person

2284
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,000
um who was mythologized

2285
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,920
i don't i'm not really getting the

2286
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,600
connection here

2287
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:40,000
well it's it's kind of a chris knowles

2288
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,600
kind of connection that would require

2289
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:43,280
about five more leaps

2290
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,560
but the point is all bets are off now

2291
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,239
i don't know i mean a lot of people were

2292
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,159
there were a lot of people who came up

2293
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:54,239
and said i'm the messiah you know during

2294
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,360
particularly during those wars so i mean

2295
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,120
the messiah just meant you were the king

2296
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:01,840
you were the ruler of

2297
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,960
you know israel it was really paul who

2298
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,960
comes along and says well

2299
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:09,040
he's the ruler of israel but he's also

2300
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,239
this

2301
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:13,440
you know mystery god that were very

2302
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,800
popular around the

2303
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:16,639
mediterranean basin at that time you

2304
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,159
know these mystery

2305
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:21,199
figures addis adonis

2306
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,560
um mithras i mean all these people

2307
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,159
there were a lot of these cults that

2308
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:27,760
were competing for members

2309
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:31,280
and paul sort of got the notion that

2310
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,719
this jesus wasn't just the messiah

2311
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,840
of you know of israel the king of israel

2312
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,239
he was more than that he was the messiah

2313
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,080
of the kingdom of heaven you know

2314
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,560
that his kingdom was not just in this

2315
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:46,159
one little patch of ground on the

2316
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:47,600
the eastern mediterranean and his

2317
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:50,480
kingdom was the heavenly kingdom

2318
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:54,080
and that so much of his language i mean

2319
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:55,520
i have it i've always said that i have a

2320
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,639
tremendous

2321
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,639
admiration for polka is i think he was a

2322
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,880
great um

2323
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,159
i don't want to say a great salesman

2324
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,239
because that sort of diminishes what he

2325
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:06,320
did but he was a great persuader he was

2326
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:06,800
a great

2327
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,840
so i and then people say that paul's

2328
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,239
you know the paul was fictional too and

2329
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,920
you know one of the examples that that

2330
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,840
just drives me crazy when they say that

2331
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:20,960
jesus was

2332
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:23,520
a mythological figure is this whole

2333
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,639
apollonius of tiana thing now nobody

2334
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,639
you know he i guess he was known but

2335
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,040
nobody announced him as this

2336
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:33,280
messianic figure until the middle of the

2337
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,719
third century

2338
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:37,360
and most of that was coming from uh the

2339
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,840
wife of

2340
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,360
caesar uh so i i think that a lot

2341
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,679
a lot of the groundwork again like you

2342
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:45,440
can look at a book and say well there's

2343
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:46,239
this figure

2344
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:49,280
uh apollonius of tyanna and he's similar

2345
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,400
to jesus and

2346
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:52,239
you know therefore jesus must be a copy

2347
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:53,520
of him when it's when it's actually the

2348
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:54,320
other way around

2349
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:58,159
and it was very much a psyop because

2350
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,360
uh there were a lot of problems going on

2351
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:03,040
with christians and jews throughout the

2352
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,400
empire at the time

2353
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:06,719
so like i said i mean when you really

2354
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:07,440
break that

2355
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:10,560
down the details of this stuff and you

2356
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,159
get past the sort of sensationalistic

2357
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:16,239
claims and i and i understand what

2358
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:17,440
you're saying about joe atwell

2359
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:19,840
and i think you're you know you're right

2360
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,080
to a certain extent

2361
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,920
but my argument is what do you think i'm

2362
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:25,040
saying what do you think i'm saying

2363
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,000
about jim

2364
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,040
let me finish let me just finish i mean

2365
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:32,080
people are mythologized people have

2366
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,600
mythologies from other people grafted on

2367
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,360
uh you know this has happened throughout

2368
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,520
history

2369
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,920
what i did when i went back and looked

2370
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:43,520
at the gospels i looked at the source

2371
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,639
material

2372
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:46,400
is that there were just some very

2373
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:51,360
unusual things that kept popping up that

2374
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,719
gave it sort of the sense of

2375
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,239
authenticity it doesn't mean all the

2376
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,719
stories or all the miracles or

2377
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:58,239
you know the resurrection it doesn't

2378
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,679
necessarily mean that all those things

2379
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,199
are correct or those other things

2380
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,560
actually happen

2381
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,719
but just you know this basic figure this

2382
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,040
this uh

2383
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:08,639
son of a carpenter which is really

2384
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,080
texthon which is really

2385
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:13,199
you know basically a freemason uh you

2386
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,080
know

2387
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:17,520
stone worker builder so on and so forth

2388
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:21,199
um you know traveled

2389
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:24,400
uh the the the

2390
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:27,679
uh roman occupied judea and

2391
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:30,400
in israel at the time uh preaching his

2392
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:31,199
message

2393
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,960
he was a follower of john the baptist

2394
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,560
and so on and so forth now the thing

2395
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,320
that really struck me curious about this

2396
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:38,719
is that if you look in the book of luke

2397
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:41,760
it all starts off with the you know

2398
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,360
the baptist and what i've

2399
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,280
became convinced of because of the

2400
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,719
amount of detail that you read about

2401
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,760
things that the baptist

2402
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,080
was said to have said is i think that

2403
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,840
there was baptist literature i think

2404
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:55,679
that there was a baptist corporate

2405
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,880
uh corpus circulating at the time so i

2406
01:28:01,189 --> 01:28:00,080
think there were a lot of people who

2407
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:01,199
knew about john

2408
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,880
who knew about the things that john said

2409
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:04,400
and the things that john teach and then

2410
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,960
saw this

2411
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,199
these people these strange guys from

2412
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,800
jerusalem running around talking about

2413
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:10,560
this jesus character like who is this

2414
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:11,120
jesus

2415
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,480
oh wait wasn't he that follower of

2416
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,400
john's who was crucified you know for

2417
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,600
sedition

2418
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:17,760
you know why should we follow him and

2419
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,639
and then it just

2420
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,560
grows from there but i think the fact

2421
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,239
that there's so much

2422
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,840
they talk about like the criterion of

2423
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,280
embarrassment there's so many stories

2424
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:26,800
that you just

2425
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,639
would not put in a hey geography

2426
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,400
in the first century it just wouldn't

2427
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:34,320
happen because what these things really

2428
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,120
were was like

2429
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:36,560
how great this person is everything they

2430
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:38,000
did was great everything they touched

2431
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:39,120
turned to gold

2432
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,639
you know you didn't have to explain all

2433
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:42,480
these things that i believe

2434
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,760
with you know rumors going around and so

2435
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:47,120
on and so forth because let me tell you

2436
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,760
this

2437
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,920
there's a myth that just drives me crazy

2438
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,760
about this technological age

2439
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,600
is that you know there weren't mass

2440
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:55,440
communications that people didn't talk

2441
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,639
constantly talking to each other

2442
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,639
constantly gossiping that you had you

2443
01:29:00,950 --> 01:29:00,159
know news readers running around the

2444
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:00,960
cities all

2445
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,440
all day and night you had preachers and

2446
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:05,679
there are people communicating

2447
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:07,600
on an incessant basis particularly when

2448
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:08,960
you talk about like

2449
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,239
uh jerusalem or alexandria you know

2450
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:14,480
places where this stuff really emerged

2451
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,520
from

2452
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:17,280
people you know these people are not

2453
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,639
ignorant you know it's just like it

2454
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:20,159
drives me crazy like before we had the

2455
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,719
internet

2456
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,320
we we didn't know what was going on like

2457
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:24,080
we didn't have a million magazines and

2458
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:24,960
newspapers

2459
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:27,840
on every street corner in in every major

2460
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:28,480
city

2461
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,920
you know everybody knew what was going

2462
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:32,400
on uh you know i think people were a lot

2463
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:32,960
better

2464
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:36,080
look at any

2465
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,920
time magazine or newsweek magazine from

2466
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:39,840
the 70s and look at them today

2467
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:43,040
and it's just like unbelievable

2468
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:44,960
you know the dumbing down has been so

2469
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,040
apparent so

2470
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:49,199
jesus to me was was a real figure i

2471
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,400
believe that he was part of this

2472
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:52,480
tradition of uh

2473
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,760
magicians dating back to mesopotamia i i

2474
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,960
think it was a fall of john

2475
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:59,199
the baptist who might have fallen out

2476
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:00,560
with john

2477
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:03,679
and that when you go

2478
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,880
under those just those basic i don't

2479
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,080
even want to see the assumptions just

2480
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,840
for those basic theses

2481
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,520
and you read the gospels themselves you

2482
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:13,199
know never mind uh joseph for certain

2483
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,480
never mind any of this other stuff just

2484
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,840
look what these people were saying about

2485
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,760
themselves and about their leader

2486
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,440
you just start to realize that there's a

2487
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:21,840
lot of

2488
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,880
bending over backwards to explain things

2489
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:26,239
well okay you might have heard that

2490
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,760
jesus did this but really what it was

2491
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,440
was this you know what i mean like you

2492
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,880
might have heard that he was

2493
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:32,639
uh crucified but really what happened is

2494
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:34,000
that you know he rose on the third

2495
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,360
day and these angels took him up to

2496
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,440
heaven after you know this big pentecost

2497
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:39,040
and so on and so forth

2498
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:42,159
so um if you're familiar with the

2499
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:43,440
ancient

2500
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:46,080
literature and you're familiar with how

2501
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:47,199
these figures were all

2502
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:51,280
inevitably um mythologized because

2503
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:52,400
anybody was a king

2504
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,520
or you know or caesar or

2505
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:57,440
high priest whatever had all these ass

2506
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,639
kissing you know

2507
01:31:01,669 --> 01:31:00,400
courtesans around them you know just

2508
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:01,679
telling them how great they were all

2509
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:02,080
that they

2510
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,840
are and that's that's what went into the

2511
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,120
record

2512
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,360
so um i i think we're maybe talking

2513
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:09,120
about like two different things like i'm

2514
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:10,159
just saying that

2515
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:11,600
you know i'm not saying that jesus was

2516
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,719
the messiah or jesus was the son of god

2517
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,880
i'm saying that he was a real person who

2518
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:18,480
did real things

2519
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,920
and his life became mythologized because

2520
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:23,760
you know a very brilliant

2521
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:26,960
orator named saul of taurus came around

2522
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:27,440
and

2523
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:30,639
thought that jesus would be because of

2524
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:33,199
maybe this material that jesus had

2525
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:34,800
appropriated from john or whatever i

2526
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:35,600
mean whatever the

2527
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:38,560
situation would be would be an excellent

2528
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,280
um

2529
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:41,520
mystery cult figure like there were just

2530
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:42,560
dozens and dozens

2531
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,600
all over the place at the time so we

2532
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:46,960
probably won't have time to get into

2533
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:49,679
this and we might in the future i might

2534
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:52,880
continue to filter stuff your way

2535
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:55,360
we're talking about two different things

2536
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:56,880
but then again we're not talking about

2537
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,239
two different things

2538
01:32:01,669 --> 01:32:00,960
here's where i'm at kind of bottom line

2539
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:01,679
one

2540
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:04,719
the bible is pro-roman

2541
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,840
in a way that's unexplainable in light

2542
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,000
of the history between rome

2543
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:12,639
and judea no it's not unexplainable

2544
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,280
because it was all edited by the romans

2545
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:17,040
it was edited by the church you know who

2546
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:18,560
are all romans you know

2547
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,800
the church the roman church won out the

2548
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,800
roman church got the ear of caesar

2549
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:24,239
they they won all the battles they

2550
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:25,920
declared everyone else who didn't go

2551
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:28,080
along with their lying heretics

2552
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:30,560
here's my point chris the bible is

2553
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:33,520
pro-roman because josephus is pro-roman

2554
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,199
and josephus is explicitly pro-roman

2555
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:39,679
in a way that that only it can only be

2556
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:41,360
understood as propaganda

2557
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:43,920
and when you look at religious scholars

2558
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,000
which is really not a fair name because

2559
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:48,800
99 of them are not scholars they're

2560
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,400
acknowledging the fact that they're

2561
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:52,400
heavily dependent on josephus

2562
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:54,080
even though they see all the problems

2563
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:56,159
with josephus they see that josephus is

2564
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:58,239
completely propagandizing

2565
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,280
he's completely conflating he's just not

2566
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:03,040
telling the truth over and over again

2567
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:05,120
he says he knows the jewish law so well

2568
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,719
and then he contradicts

2569
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:08,480
jewish law over and over again in his

2570
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,800
writings this is a classic case of

2571
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:12,560
i'm looking for my keys over under the

2572
01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:14,719
lamppost even though i lost them

2573
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,639
out in the parking lot that's dark but

2574
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,560
the light is better over here so i got

2575
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:20,560
volumes and volumes of josephus i'm

2576
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:22,159
going to go with that because i like

2577
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:24,080
that it makes me feel good that i can

2578
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,320
read some stuff and analyze it

2579
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,320
but here's the real point where we owe a

2580
01:33:33,229 --> 01:33:30,080
huge debt to atwell

2581
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:33,239
and that is that the gospels are clearly

2582
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,719
undeniably dependent on josephus

2583
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:39,440
you can read the two side by side and

2584
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:40,400
it's the same

2585
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:43,360
story told the different way one is told

2586
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:44,719
as a quote unquote

2587
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:47,520
roman slash jewish historian that is

2588
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,560
josephus

2589
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,800
and the other is reinterpreted by the

2590
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:51,840
gospel writers

2591
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,320
as prophecy atwell proves this

2592
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:56,639
conclusively over and over again

2593
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:59,280
in detail where he takes that eventually

2594
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:01,360
in terms of mythicism

2595
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,600
i i agree with you i don't think you can

2596
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,800
take it that far

2597
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,040
but that point that he makes that the

2598
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:09,199
gospels are dependent on josephus

2599
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,239
to me is undeniably proven it's also

2600
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,679
proven by our history

2601
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,440
because you know for the longest time

2602
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:17,120
for hundreds of years

2603
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:20,159
josephus's war of the jews was

2604
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:23,360
required reading along with the bible in

2605
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,159
the home

2606
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:26,239
there was the bible and there was

2607
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:27,280
josephus

2608
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:31,760
supporting the whole story because it

2609
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,199
was telling the whole story

2610
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:35,520
the other thing that i'd add to that is

2611
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:36,560
that

2612
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:39,199
i think when we really step back and we

2613
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:39,679
look at

2614
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:42,960
why that history still comes down to us

2615
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:43,840
today

2616
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:45,440
i mean why don't we have that kind of

2617
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:47,119
history of all the other groups that

2618
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,480
oppose the romans

2619
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:50,480
that were even bigger and stronger than

2620
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:52,719
the little judea over there

2621
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,719
it's because we didn't see the way the

2622
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:56,159
thing was going to turn out

2623
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,920
but the way that thing turned out when

2624
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:59,600
they co-opted the religion and kind of

2625
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:01,040
made it into

2626
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:05,280
a proto-roman tool that they could use

2627
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:07,600
well then it became necessary to drag

2628
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:08,320
along

2629
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:11,840
it

2630
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:14,960
all the the jewish stuff that was all

2631
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:16,400
part of their thing that would have just

2632
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,080
been stomped out of history

2633
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:20,239
like everything else that was stomped

2634
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:22,239
out in roman history that they didn't

2635
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:23,040
want to hear

2636
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,719
so i i think there's i i think

2637
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,560
the biggest mistake that i see that's

2638
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:30,400
being made in this

2639
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,080
work is that one we're working backwards

2640
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:37,360
to try and understand this jesus

2641
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:38,239
character

2642
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:40,400
rather than working bottom up from the

2643
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:43,040
data that we have but the other two

2644
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,320
biggest things that i see

2645
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:47,520
is one we just don't

2646
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:50,719
factor we seem to easily

2647
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:53,119
fall into exactly what we're talking

2648
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:54,080
about before

2649
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:57,199
which is the flip side of the

2650
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:00,480
scientism thing which is the atheism

2651
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,400
wokeness kind of view of this

2652
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:07,440
so this history is written in a way that

2653
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,239
suggests

2654
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:11,199
that none of these people had a real

2655
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:12,159
spiritual

2656
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:15,520
experience none of them so josephus

2657
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:16,639
didn't have a rich

2658
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,000
spiritual life vespasian who was

2659
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,800
up stabbing the stabbing his sword

2660
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:25,440
through the throat of a druid

2661
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:27,600
wasn't tossing and turning at night like

2662
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,639
we all do

2663
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:30,880
about what the spiritual what that did

2664
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:32,400
to his soul

2665
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:34,880
all these people had a rich spiritual

2666
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:36,880
life but we write the history

2667
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,480
as if we're all you know hitching style

2668
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,239
atheists that none of that stuff could

2669
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:44,639
possibly possibly be true

2670
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:47,840
and so i don't know i've kind of thrown

2671
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,239
a ton

2672
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,600
on the table we won't have time to

2673
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,440
process it all but i want to give you a

2674
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:52,960
chance to kind of

2675
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:55,920
maybe lead us out for for this this

2676
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:56,880
round of our

2677
01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,320
talk about the methodists well

2678
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:02,239
one thing that i will say i mean because

2679
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:03,520
we're

2680
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:05,199
getting a little apples and oranges here

2681
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,320
because we're you know we're talking

2682
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,400
about jesus the new testament then we're

2683
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:09,840
you know talking about the bible and

2684
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:11,119
then we're talking about you know the

2685
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:12,639
post-biblical period i mean there's a

2686
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,560
lot of things to sort of separate

2687
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,960
and unpack here but one of the things

2688
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,400
that i would say

2689
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,800
is that um you know judaism and

2690
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,920
christianity

2691
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,840
we're really not substantially different

2692
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,119
than the other religions

2693
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:27,199
uh you know that that's that's the myth

2694
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,480
that comes down

2695
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:30,320
you know the judaism you know the the

2696
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,080
yahweh cult

2697
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:34,639
which is the same figure as zeus and and

2698
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:35,920
jupiter and

2699
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:38,719
and ball and so on the the these this

2700
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,239
cult was substantially different than

2701
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:42,080
any of the other cults and it's just

2702
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:43,840
it's just not true

2703
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,719
it's just you know somebody like julian

2704
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:48,560
the apostate said that you know

2705
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:50,000
when he was reaching out to the jews

2706
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:51,520
after you know the exile he said you

2707
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:52,239
know

2708
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:02,080
rituals and so on and so forth are

2709
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,840
a lot like yours you know i mean you can

2710
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:05,920
look this up and this is this is known

2711
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,199
and the other thing you've got to do is

2712
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:09,440
just realize that any religious

2713
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:13,199
text is going to be just blazed over

2714
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:17,040
with symbolism and ritual

2715
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:19,040
and you know particularly star symbolism

2716
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,719
and the thing that i keep going through

2717
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,800
is i just can't believe how much star

2718
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:24,480
sim when you just look at a simple map

2719
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:24,800
like

2720
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:29,440
against the bible stories uh it's just

2721
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:30,719
it's just astonishing

2722
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:33,199
because the stars you know where heaven

2723
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,719
that was what they saw as heaven that's

2724
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,239
what they saw as the heavenly vault with

2725
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:38,400
this you know the stars about them

2726
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,239
so i think that um you know there are a

2727
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,159
lot of different issues here but really

2728
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:44,000
like i said what it really boils down to

2729
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,080
is like i'm not making any supernatural

2730
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:47,920
claims as to jesus

2731
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:51,520
in that very you know rather maybe over

2732
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,679
large chapter that you're referring to

2733
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,679
what i'm saying is that i i believe and

2734
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,440
i still believe and i i don't see any

2735
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:59,360
reason to disbelieve that he was a real

2736
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:00,400
person

2737
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,480
who lived and died and

2738
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,800
his followers came along because he

2739
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,719
inspired them in a particular way

2740
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,560
and then there was a second you know

2741
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:12,320
there's a second jesus really which is

2742
01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:13,360
paul

2743
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,159
who uh builds the whole thing up through

2744
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:18,560
the dentist of his own efforts

2745
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:22,320
um and it's just these are real people

2746
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:24,719
that just became part of a mythology

2747
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,320
machine just the same way that you know

2748
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,600
mr t

2749
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,840
has a as a tv show where he's like

2750
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:31,119
wrestling with dinosaurs

2751
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:32,560
you know a cartoon show on saturday

2752
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:33,440
morning where he's wrestling with

2753
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,639
dinosaurs or

2754
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:36,560
or whatever i mean real people get

2755
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:38,159
mythologized it happens

2756
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,520
all the time it's not unusual and it's

2757
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,440
not unique to the bible in any way shape

2758
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:49,109
so chris again thanks so much all this

2759
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:49,920
time is just

2760
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:52,639
awesome talking with you it's just so

2761
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:54,159
cool so fun

2762
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:58,239
the endless american midnight is great

2763
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,600
he will live up in the sky awesome

2764
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,520
we talked about it last time chris was

2765
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,840
here and you can find a bunch of other

2766
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:06,639
of his books

2767
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,960
on amazon be sure to check out the

2768
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:10,000
secret sun

2769
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,679
what's coming up for you either

2770
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:16,080
new books or i know you're coming up

2771
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:16,800
with another

2772
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,159
edition of uh kind of collections from

2773
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:22,239
the secret sun blog but but what's got

2774
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:23,280
your interest

2775
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:25,040
right now what can we expect to see from

2776
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:27,040
you

2777
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,639
i i'm working on so many different

2778
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,159
things right now it's

2779
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:33,199
my own mind is boggles

2780
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,600
my main project for the new year has

2781
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,400
been to just

2782
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,040
go through my archives and try and

2783
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:41,199
organize it into

2784
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,800
more easily digestible portions and so

2785
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:45,520
on

2786
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happened is that blogger changed over

2787
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:49,760
their interface

2788
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:53,600
so i know most of my um

2789
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,480
posts before say like 2012 or so that

2790
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,480
all the text alignments all messed up

2791
01:41:01,270 --> 01:41:00,159
and everything is just a big jumble and

2792
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:01,280
i have to sit there and go through and

2793
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:02,400
manually

2794
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,040
uh reformat everything but i have a lot

2795
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,679
of stuff going on just to check the blog

2796
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,040
uh and then of course there's the

2797
01:41:12,030 --> 01:41:11,040
patreon the secret sun institute of

2798
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,040
advanced

2799
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:14,239
synchromysticism that i vote i just

2800
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,520
opened it and

2801
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,679
i've got a lot of material up there

2802
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:19,679
mostly podcasts

2803
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:22,960
um you know podcast recordings that um

2804
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:23,520
you can

2805
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:25,119
listen to and explore a number of

2806
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,960
different topics so there's a lot coming

2807
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:27,679
up uh

2808
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,719
you know i'm really just at the

2809
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:31,040
beginning of this process so

2810
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:34,480
it's exciting for all of us and uh we'll

2811
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,639
be sure to be checking back in with you

2812
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,880
soon so thanks again so much for coming

2813
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:40,719
on today

2814
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:44,000
thank you thanks again

2815
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:46,000
to chris knowles for joining me today on

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01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:48,560
skeptico the one question i tee up

2817
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,000
because it's just classic

2818
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,360
chris is what do you make of his idea

2819
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:56,639
about masks and cult

2820
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,760
signaling you know it sounds like such a

2821
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:00,880
stretch

2822
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:04,560
but like i said in the interview chris

2823
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,239
batting average hall of fame man

2824
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,960
don't bet against the hall of famer let

2825
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,000
me know your thoughts

2826
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:14,560
anywhere you can find me more coming